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World Net Daily ^ | 2/26/02 | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

Posted on 02/26/2002 3:27:07 AM PST by shuckmaster

Once again, a spokesman from something called the "Declaration Foundation," David Quackenbush, has chosen personal insult and ad hominem arguments in response to my comments on Lincoln. He begins his Feb. 22 piece, "Apparent Inaccuracies," not by criticizing anything that I actually said, but saying that I argue "as if," in his opinion, I value free trade more than the abolition of slavery. He thereby underhandedly accuses me of sympathizing with slavery. This is a complete distortion of my position, and a straw man argument.

It is apparently the policy of the Declaration Foundation that anyone who criticizes Lincoln is slandered by the likes of Mr. Quackenbush as somehow being in favor of slavery. And he has the gall to conclude his article with the claim that he is not making ad hominem arguments.

Quackenbush asserts that "there is no legal right to secession," but this issue was never decided in any other way but Lincoln's use of military violence. In the first half of the 19th century, every cadet at West Point was taught constitutional law by the Pennsylvania abolitionist William Rawle, whose book on the Constitution argued that there was indeed a constitutional right to secession.

Most Americans – North and South – believed this as of 1860, as judged by the 1,000 Northern newspaper articles surveyed by historian Howard Cecil Perkins in his book, "Northern Editorials on Secession." Virginia, North Carolina and Rhode Island explicitly stated in their articles of ratification of the Constitution that they reserved the right to secede if the federal government ever became destructive of their liberties, giving the lie to Quackenbush's assertion that no state ever had a right to leave the Union under any circumstances. The Declaration Foundation is apparently in the business of either ignoring or rewriting history.

Quackenbush takes Lincoln's comments on central banking out of context to accuse me of inaccuracies. As I show in my book, "The Real Lincoln," Lincoln was devoted for 30 years to the Whig agenda of the federal government's monopolization of the money supply – so much so that he even had to bring it up in his comment on the Dred Scott decision, as Quackenbush admits. He was a passionate supporter of centralized government through money monopolization for his entire political career.

Quackenbush is unequivocally wrong when he says that he cannot find "a single word in any of the [Lincoln-Douglas] debates, that refers in any way, to an economic agenda." To be charitable, I will assume that, despite his claims of being a world champion Lincoln expert, Quackenbush never got around to reading the July 17, 1858, speech of Lincoln's in response to Douglas in Springfield, Ill., in which Lincoln says: "You remember we once had a national bank … the Supreme Court decided that the bank was constitutional. The whole Democratic party revolted against that decision. General [Andrew] Jackson himself asserted that he, as president, would not be bound to hold a national bank to be constitutional, even though the court had decided it to be so. He fell in precisely with the view of Mr. [Thomas] Jefferson, and acted upon it under official oath, in vetoing a charter for a national bank."

Yes, Lincoln is also discussing slavery in this speech, but it is relevant that he made it a point to insert his career-long animosity toward the Democratic Party's opposition to central banking as well, and to devote considerable space to it. This sounds like an economic agenda to me, despite Quackenbush's refusal to acknowledge it.

Quackenbush opens his article with a thinly veiled, and absurd accusation that I must somehow be unconcerned about the horrors of slavery. Then he claims something to be true that is not – that there is no economic agenda of any kind mentioned in the Lincoln-Douglas debates. And he has the chutzpah to conclude with an appeal to discuss only the "actual statesmanship of the actual Lincoln" and not any unpleasant facts that I or anyone else might bring up, which he dismisses with more ad hominem as "wild imaginings." The man just can't help himself with the personal smears. Charming.


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To: shuckmaster
"As I show in my book, "The Real Lincoln," Lincoln was devoted for 30 years to the Whig agenda of the federal government's monopolization of the money supply – so much so that he even had to bring it up in his comment on the Dred Scott decision, as Quackenbush admits."

I just placed my prepublication order and can't wait for it to arrive.

61 posted on 02/27/2002 4:09:15 AM PST by tberry
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To: rdf
It's amazing to see how the mere pre-publication promo blurbs are getting you all worked up. To bad! The book is selling like hotcakes, the truth goes marching on, & all your reactionary revisionist protests just add to fuel to the fire...
62 posted on 02/27/2002 4:15:19 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: tberry
Good decision. This book is going to be the industry standard on lincoln for many years to come.
63 posted on 02/27/2002 4:23:28 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: WhiskeyPapa
"Not only that, the Supreme Court ruled in 1862 that the actions of the so-called seceded states were in fact rebellion. The Supreme Court gets to say what the law is, not you.

Yeah and the Supreme Court usually falls in line with the Executive when the Union is rightly or wrongly assaulted but that doesn't mean those are proper interpretations. In WWI they said it was OK to arrest anyone who spoke out by word or writing against the Federal Government and that has since been overturned as an assault against the First Amendment. In WWII the Federal Government rounded up citizens of Japanese decent and put them in camps. That has since been overturned as unconstitutional. Just as the above example, just because the Supreme Court once deemed something legal does not mean it is.

64 posted on 02/27/2002 4:47:28 AM PST by tberry
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To: Ditto
damnyankees DESERVE abuse and torment.

for a FREE dixie,sw

65 posted on 02/27/2002 6:52:00 AM PST by stand watie
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To: shuckmaster
I am interested in hearing from you on one thing and one thing only.

Is DiLorenzo spreading falsehoods on the two matters at issue in the column?

If you have forgotten, they are:

1] Does Lincoln make "it a point to champion" the Whig protectionist agenda in "virtually every one" of the debates with Douglas, and

2]Does he "bitterly" denounce the position of Jackson on the National bank in the Dred Scott Speech, making that speech in some significant measure about economic policy, and not slavery and the Court's stance on it.

I quote above from DiLorenzo's first article, and I quote accurately.

For a fuller statement of what is on my mind, reread #55 above.

If you have anything to say on this matter of accuracy, I will read it with interest. If not, not.

Regards,

Richard F.

66 posted on 02/27/2002 8:56:07 AM PST by rdf
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To: stand watie
for a FREE dixie

This Free Dixie?

If so, why not come out and say it?

67 posted on 02/27/2002 9:55:22 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto
for a FREE dixie

This Free Dixie?

If so, why not come out and say it?

Notice they still have the great seal of the so-called CSA with George Washington's image on the website.

Ol' GW being such a strong proponent of a strong national Union and all, that seems sorta odd. But the new confeds are as much into disinformation as the original ones were.

Walt

68 posted on 02/27/2002 11:04:45 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
But the new confeds are as much into disinformation as the original ones were.

People like DiLorenzo selling books are into disinformation. The rest are in denial.

69 posted on 02/28/2002 4:26:25 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto
The rest are in denial.

Maybe, maybe not. Some of these folks have a good sense of evidence and argument, and make honorable opponents. But I note that even the staunchest seceesh won't deny that DiLorenzo is caught in blatant disinformation.

Now perhaps we can move on to the use he makes of these falsehoods, and also the slightly less blatant errors in his account of the 1854 Peoria Speech.

Best to you,

Richard F.

70 posted on 02/28/2002 9:28:10 AM PST by rdf
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