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WHO CARES WHAT EUROPEANS THINK?
Jewish World Review ^ | 3/4/02 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 03/04/2002 3:37:27 AM PST by Elkiejg

THE "axis of evil" caused a sensation around the world because it established a new American foreign policy based on three distinctive principles: morality, preemption and unilateralism.

Our sophisticated European cousins are aghast. The French led the way, denouncing American simplisme. They deem it a breach of manners to call evil by its name. They prefer accommodating to it. They have lots of practice, famously accommodating Nazi Germany in 1940, less famously striking the Gaullist pose of triangulating between the evil empire and primitive Yanks during the Cold War.

The Europeans are not too happy with preemption either. Preemption is the most extreme form of activity, of energy, in foreign policy -- anathema to a superannuated continent entirely self-absorbed in its own internal integration. (Hence the paralysis even in the face of fire in its own Balkan backyard.) The Europeans hate preemption all the more because it means America acting on its own. And it is our unilateralism above all that sticks in their craw.

Tough luck. A policy of waiting to be attacked with nuclear (and other genocidal) weapons is suicidal. Moreover, self-defense is the self-evident justification for unilateralism. When under attack, no country is obligated to collect permission slips from allies to strike back. And there is no clearer case of a war of self-defense than America's war on terrorists and allied states for whom "death to America" is not just a slogan but a policy.

I was a unilateralist before it became unfashionable. Long before the axis of evil, long before the Afghan war, long before Sept. 11, I argued that the multilateralism of the Clinton years inevitably produced lowest-common-denominator foreign policy -- diluted, ineffective, as feckless as the pinprick cruise missile strikes Clinton liked to launch as an ostentatious pretense of assertiveness.

When the Bush administration came to power advertising its willingness to go it alone when necessary, the Democrats were apoplectic. Early last year, for example, when Bush made it clear he would be junking the ABM Treaty, Sen. Carl Levin, now chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and thus a man who should know about these things, declared: "I have great concerns about [such] a unilateral decision . . . because I believe that it could risk a second Cold War."

Wrong. Totally wrong. In fact, when Bush did abrogate the ABM Treaty, the Russian response was almost inaudible. Those who'd been bloviating about the diplomatic dangers of such a unilateral decision noted quizzically the lack of reaction. Up in arms over the axis of evil -- "it will take years before we can repair the damage done by that statement," said former president Jimmy Carter -- they are warning once again about how the world will rise against us. Wrong again.

Our enemies have already turned against us. Our allies will not. Europe knows that in the end, its security depends on our strength and our protection. Europeans are the ultimate free-riders on American power. We maintain the stability of international commerce, the freedom of the seas, the flow of oil, regional balances of power (in the Pacific Rim, South Asia, the Middle East) and, ultimately, we provide protection against potentially rising hostile superpowers.

The Europeans sit and pout. What else can they do? The ostensible complaint is American primitivism. The real problem is their irrelevance.

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To: Elkiejg
I know that I could not care less what Europe thinks about what the USA does, either in war or peace. They have contributed little to the world in the last 50 years other than constant criticism and whinning.
41 posted on 03/04/2002 12:07:31 PM PST by bfree
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To: Elkiejg
...I can't take your comments too seriously since your country was dumb enough to pay Clinton 3 million dollars for 1 speech...

He didn't get paid three million dollars, the payments weren't made by 'our country', and he made more than one speech.

Got that, dumbo?

42 posted on 03/04/2002 12:08:49 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Crusher138
..Considering your proximately to China, at least as compared to ours, I could see how you would be worried. Understand, China needs the US, badly. We are their largest single customer and account for over 25% (some estimates are higher) of their exports. We could always buy cheap good from lots of low labor cost countries. Heck, we have several in our own hemisphere that could fill in if our relationship with China goes south. They, on the other hand, would have a hard time replacing 300 million affluent customers. They will bluff, bluster, posture and then ultimately back down..

This paragraph would be quite possibly the most ignorant piece of writing I've ever read on the Free Republic. I honestly thank God that fools like you aren't in charge of US foreign policy.

43 posted on 03/04/2002 12:12:51 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: MarkWar
...in terms of religion, Chistianity started in the Middle East. Europe added the torture and unbounded death. We could have done without that....

Deep analysis there, Mark. Krauthammer would be proud.

44 posted on 03/04/2002 12:16:12 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: ImpBill
...you have stood shoulder to shoulder with Freepers for a long time and I unlike, some of the newer breed understand that even friends don't agree all the time on all subjects. Have a "good-A"!...

Thanks amigo. It is kind of sad that genuine and positive criticism of the WoT or the Patriot Act prompts cries of traitor/liberal/ arablover/kangaroo jockey, now. But you know FR, that too will pass, and the mob will go home.

45 posted on 03/04/2002 12:22:02 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Polybius
...actually, Aussie, your own xenophobia and prejudice in regards to America and Americans is what comes through loud and clear on every thread you post to...

It's not 'xenophobia and prejudice' that makes me dispute this Administration's planned foreign policy, it's real concern for friends.

46 posted on 03/04/2002 12:29:21 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: rebelsoldier
..you kangaroo jockeys has better worry a helluva lot more about the 300 million plus Islamics baring down on your tiny, isolated, empty little outpost of European civilization....

They're not 'baring' down, Reb. And Australia's the same size as the continental US. But most importantly, we don't worry for pleasure like some of you guys do. Hey, I see on latest posts that tireless fighter for liberty and constitutional rights Ron Paul is now questioning the wisdom of an attack on Iraq :

Constitutional questions aside, we have to ask ourselves quite simply whether it serves any national interest to invade Iraq. So often we lose sight of the true purpose of our military, which is to defend our borders against attack. Remember, Iraq has not initiated aggression against us. We, on the other hand, have bombed them, taunted them by flying military jets in their airspace, and starved them with economic sanctions- all for more than a decade. We haven't done these things out of humanitarian concern for Kuwait, we've done them because we want to protect our oil interests.

47 posted on 03/04/2002 12:39:49 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie; LaBelleDameSansMerci
>Deep analysis there, Mark. Krauthammer would be proud.

France, Germany, Britain and more
Make up Europe, named for some Oberon lore.
Now LaBelleDameSansMerci
Says the way that we were, see,
Got its start on the Continent's floor.

The East and the Middle East need not apply
To this tunnel-vision homage to days gone by.
With Christ and the Tao
I won't have a cow
But this limerick zen is my sigh.


Mark W.

48 posted on 03/04/2002 1:12:21 PM PST by MarkWar
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Let me repeat myself. . ."When intelligent, or even honest criticism fails -

Well, you have done it again. . .'low IQ neo-cons?'

Down to the insults; still no cigar. . .

49 posted on 03/04/2002 1:44:26 PM PST by cricket
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
It's not 'xenophobia and prejudice' that makes me dispute this Administration's planned foreign policy, it's real concern for friends.

And why should we really care what you think? As the saying goes-with friends like you and Europe, who needs enemies.

50 posted on 03/04/2002 2:01:33 PM PST by bfree
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To: Elkiejg
Amazing how a thread can stray so far from the post, into personal insults... I agree with No One!
51 posted on 03/04/2002 10:27:35 PM PST by Yougottabekidding
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
I'm not the one who's worried about Australia's fate with hundreds of millions of Asian Islamic fundamentalists perched on your bow, its knowledgeble, concerned, and informed Aussies that are. The same Aussies that are extremely alarmed about having their firearms confiscated from them and destroyed by the government, leaving them at the mercy of murderers and criminals. Obviously, you aren't one of those Aussies, but rather one of a collection of neo-socialists, usually young and naive gen-xers, that eschew and devalue those freedoms while embracing the suicidal illusion that peace and freedom can be purchased with timidity and non-confrontation just like the clueless Eurosocialists previously referenced. Your land area is irrelevant, but your tiny population isn't. Better start learning Indonesian or perhaps Chinese and also how to bow.
52 posted on 03/05/2002 1:15:33 AM PST by rebelsoldier
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
With a little help from our friends... :)
53 posted on 03/05/2002 1:32:05 AM PST by bluester
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To: cricket
...well, you have done it again....

Fair point. All I'll say is, it's very frustrating. No-one here can give me any reason why the US is going to war with Iraq again, and when I ask quite logical questions I'm 'anti-US.' The bottom line is there is no reason for attacking Iraq, and that makes me suspect the President's motives. He's a good man, and I trust his judgement, but if it was Clinton about to attack Iraq everyone here would say he was doing it for his poll figures.

54 posted on 03/05/2002 1:11:12 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Crusher138
...gotta wonder how calm you would be if the terrorists had flown a 757 into a packed Sydney Opera House?...

I've thought about that and I reckon I'd be a lot calmer than many on FR. Matter of fact I think it's time for the President to provide an emotional rudder for the country and say something like, 'we'll never stop grieving and we'll keep hunting the terrorists but it's time for America to move on, and get back to business.' I think the way the US media are churning September 11 for bucks is disgusting.

55 posted on 03/05/2002 1:15:35 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: bfree
..and why should we really care what you think?...

You don't have to care what I personally think, but it's crazy to start a war for no good reason, against the wishes of your allies. The idea that America from now on will be constantly making war and installing garrisons around the world needs to have some solid cost and benefit considerations, at least.

56 posted on 03/05/2002 1:20:40 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Elkiejg
I'm not defending Byron BUT...

If you condemn Australia based on hiring Clinton for a speech what do you expect the rest of the world to think about "us", America, electing him President twice???? If I were you, I wouldn't go there…

57 posted on 03/05/2002 1:20:56 PM PST by DB
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To: Elkiejg
Not I, says me.
58 posted on 03/05/2002 1:21:58 PM PST by michaelje
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To: rebelsoldier
...I'm not the one who's worried about Australia's fate with hundreds of millions of Asian Islamic fundamentalists perched on your bow...

Indonesia, which is in financial meltdown, has more than enough domestic problems of its own, with about four outer provinces already in armed revolt. And they don't have the military capability to project power into those provinces, let alone across to the Australian coast. If they were to commence an armaments program it would be years before they even came up to our level of striking power. Whether it's Iraq or Indonesia you need to put anti-Muslim prejudice to one side and weigh up the realities, Reb.

59 posted on 03/05/2002 1:26:36 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: DB
DB, please. Australia didn't hire Clinton, most Aussies think he's a total phoney. Matter of fact a friend called me last week to say he'd met Clinton and shook his hand at the IT conference in Adelaide on Wednesday. I asked why he didn't make a citizen's arrest on the grounds of Megan's Law or something. He was brought out for a private seminar because he's a big name who adds a bit of star power and he speaks well, that's all.
60 posted on 03/05/2002 1:30:45 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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