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Yemen: U.S. Deployment May Trigger Attacks
Strategic Forecasting | 7 March 2002

Posted on 03/08/2002 8:41:48 AM PST by Bad~Rodeo

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To: Bad~Rodeo;Black Jade;Lions Cub;OKCSubmariner;Travis McGee;aristeides;Mewzilla;archy;Fred Mertz
Memories!

The feds should just hire us at FR to do all their spooky research!

Any body else think the feds DONT want to know what's up?

Re reading all the old Yemen-Cole-Al-Amoudi-Bin Mahfouz articles brings back all the old memories!

21 posted on 03/21/2002 8:48:27 PM PST by Betty Jo
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To: Black Jade
As to what the "UN thinks?" I pretty well addressed that with my comment "...they can go pound salt."

Socotra has been officially part of Yemen for 11 years. Prior to that S. Yemen. Prior to that the Brits used it for troop base, just as I am suggesting we do.

I said nothing about seizing it in perpetuity. Just as long as we need it. GWB has said this war will last 8-10 years. Fine. After that, residents will benefit from the much improved port facilities/airfields that we most assuredly would construct.

We seized alot of territory during WW2. Gave it all back. Even Iwo. Where we lost upwards of 25K casualties. However, it did serve as a forward base of ops and would have been of great need had we needed to fight a land war in Japan proper. Also, the airfield saved the lives of approx.20K US Airmen that surely would have perished at sea. Otherwise, we could have bypassed it as we did Truk Is.

As for Georgia? Troop deployment minimal. Mostly instructors. Georgian military has proven itself incapable of dealing with "overflow" of Chechen guerrillas. Just as in Afghanistan, where Al quida flees to Pakistan, the Chechens flee to Georgia's Pankissy Valley. GWB's new found Russian buddy has approved of the US troop deployment.

Jade, methinks you dream about oil pipelines in your sleep. Honestly, GWB did not run for President because he believed there was an oil field under the WH.

Where is the oil in the Philippines? One of our largest deployments will be there. And please don't tell me the Spratly Islands. Using that analogy, then oil must be everywhere. And it is. Even in the Ozarks. In fact, during the price jump of the early eithties, several rigs were working not far from me.

Oil is everywhere. What matters is the amount, quality and ease of pumping it. Perhaps our need will be tempered somewhat if the drilling experiment in Alaska bears fruit. Specifically, we have gone down almost 3 miles. Later this summer scientists will attempt to break the 3 mile record. So far? Nothing significant. But remember, Prudhue Bay yielded a dozen or so dry holes, then BOOM! If this happens? We can tell the Middle East to "get lost!"

23 posted on 03/22/2002 6:41:16 AM PST by donozark
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To: donozark;Black Jade
Re: "Oil is everywhere"

There is a "Hydrogen Conspiracy".

Very shortly, oil will be history!

All of the death that "oil" is causing will be over with!

Yemen, as well as the other countries caught up in "oil" will be histories ancient facts!

24 posted on 03/22/2002 12:11:24 PM PST by Betty Jo
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To: The Bolt
More Alamoudi stuff!

Note all the different dates!

25 posted on 03/25/2002 12:27:53 PM PST by Betty Jo
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To: Black Jade
Well Jade, I respect your opinion, I really do. Always read (or try to) your postings. However, "my idea" about taking Socotra Is. has everything to do with saving lives of our servicemen (and women) and nothing to do with oil. Specifically flight crews. Sorry, you do not know for a fact, it won't (save lives). History is replete with examples of such occuring. In addition to Iwo example I gave, only last fall a shot-up Chinook made it back safely to Pakistan from Afghanistan. What if it had not been able to land there? Had to go on to aircraft carriers. Could it have made it? Neither of us know the answer. We do know they survived. Why? Proximity of landing at secure field/border. Hundreds of examples throughout aviation history.

Another recent example? Recall one year ago the collision between our intel aircraft and Chinese fighter? Supposing they had landed on Taiwan and not Hainan Is. Would pilot/crew been awarded high honors? Would we have even known the details? Just another landing.

Sorry, but having a secure, forward area, closer to the action (pending,IMO), WILL save lives of our people. We are a nation at war. The gloves come off-or should at such time.

Serbia may not have had secure airfields for our aircrews to land on during WW2. But they did in fact save upwards of 1K Americans from the Nazis by getting them away from crash sites, para-landing sites, etc. Not the ideal way to exit and aircraft. But preferable to being captured by the Nazis. A secure Socotra Is, will save US lives, if my predictions (based on what experts have said) come true. Diego Garcia is simply too far away from the action.

As for oil? Oil can be found near Waco. Was that the reason our government attacked the Branch Davidians? Early settlers complained about "black, goey stuff" that came up through the ground in OK and WY. Thus bogging down their wagon trains. Oil can be found just about everywhere. Everytine there is and underwater earthquake, and some cases, above ground, oil flows out. San Clemente quake for one polluted water tables.

However, in laymans terms (no mud-engineer here) 3 main factors determine production: 1)Quantity extimated to be in a given area. 2)Proximity to surface/depth 3)Political climate.

The political climate in Alaska is ideal. Yet, last fall, one drunk with a deer rifle shutdown the Alaska pipeline for several days. What would a gang of exploding Palestinians/Chechins have done? C-4? One 82MM mortar round?

Only last week, an article posted here stated the pipeline in Columbia had been shutdown for a year or more, due to damage by FARC. Mostly gunfire and a few grenades.

Years ago, not far from here, "Bubba" shutdown a major E-W gas line. How? With a backhoe and obvious inability to read a map. Well-trained terrorist teams could easily shutdown any pipeline in the world.

While many of the areas you cited contain vast deposites of oil, it can likewise be found elsewhere. Horizontal drilling is now being utilized. Older fields can thus be exploited, previously thought "dry."

Spratly Islands? Sure, oil is there. But was the Vung Tau Trench our reason for entering VN in the 60s? Some would say so. Yet where is the production? The fact that Muslim terrs are holding US Missionaries hostage may have something to do with our involvement there (in Philippines). Also the proven prescence of "Al Quida" or whatever moniker of the day one chooses to label these Islamic extremists as. Mindanao has been a hotbed of such activity for years now. Some 60-odd nations have been listed as "home" to Al Quida and other terrs. Oil would obviously be present in many of these.

As for US earlier "befriending" Talibums and other low-lifes? Hey, it happens. My dad's generation got shot at by steel manufactured in Pittsburgh. I came home from VN with a Czech Mauser bayonet. VFW halls hereabouts are full of "war trophies" from virtually every country in the world. Some are now our "friends." Well, on the surface anyway. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" may be an Arab proverb, but most nations have from time to time, benefitted from such "contracts, and will continue to do so. Custer was lead into the Valley of the Little Big Horn by Indian scouts, who did not like the Souix Nation. Let us hope our "intel" is better than 7th Cav...

27 posted on 04/02/2002 6:38:00 AM PST by donozark
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To: Black Jade
How do you gather intel without "boots" on the ground? Most of these SF Teams are in a training capacity. Putin has given approval to their deployment to Georgia. In fact, he welcomed it.

The entire mission of Al Quida and such groups is to remain as "invisible/untouchable" as possible. Why? They know they will be devastated by superior US firepower. Hence, they have dispersed to 60 some countries.

Would you have us sit on our asses and wait for another Sept.11? What then? Wait for another? And another? I say take the fight to the enemy. Hunt them down like dogs. Keep them running and guessing where we will hit them next. Kill them until we hear the lamentations of their women...

29 posted on 04/03/2002 6:15:22 PM PST by donozark
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