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Priest Fears Gays in Ranks Pose Threat to Church
Boston Herald ^ | 3/6/02 | Joe Fitzgerald

Posted on 03/16/2002 7:48:41 AM PST by marshmallow

He'd just completed a funeral Mass at the bustling parish over which he presides, and now, moments later, removing his collar, that pastoral demeanor quickly vanished, giving way to a bristling anger he made no effort to conceal.

The priesthood hadn't been his first vocational choice, but it continued tugging at his heart in the corporate world until he finally yielded, entering seminary a few years older than most of his colleagues.

To look at him today, well-established in his calling, riding a wave of personal popularity, few would guess how close he came to missing it all, to almost throwing in the towel prior to his ordination.

``Thanks for returning my call,'' he said. ``I have a take on what's happening now, something no one else seems anxious to get into, including the people in your business whom I'm angry at, too.

``The papers keep talking about pedophilia. That's the wrong word. The real issue here is homosexuality. It's usually heterosexuals who are pedophiles, which is a psychological disorder that has something to do with arrested development, sending them back to an age where they last felt comfortable, identifying with someone who reminds them of themselves.''

``Where are you getting this from?'' he was asked.

``From friends who are psychologists. John Geoghan? Sure, he was a pedophile. But of all the guys whose names we're reading now, no more than a couple were pedophiles, a percentage probably consistent with the general population.

``The majority of these victims were not prepubescent; they were young teens, so it had nothing to do with pedophilia. It's technically called ephebophilia, which is almost exclusively homosexual, and it isn't about comfort; it's about sex.

``The media don't like talking about this because, by and large, they have come down on the side of gay rights, the advancement of the gay agenda, so there would be an uncomfortability because, again and again, gays are saying, `We're no threat to children; that's why we should be Boy Scout leaders, why we should be teachers, why we should be able to adopt.' That's always their justification for interactions with young people.''

``Father,'' he was assured, ``you'll be branded a hater.''

``I know, so please make sure I'm well-disguised, though if I said all of this in a homily I think people in this parish would be pretty cool with it.

``But Lake Street wouldn't be too happy. The problem is, there's a subculture of gay priests and everyone knows it. I went through seminary with a lot of them and got hit on. And when I reported it, I was harassed to a point where, emotionally, it was very difficult to get ordained. I'm not the only one who had to fight to get through it; I know guys who left because of it.

``It was clear there was a cabal tacitly saying, `Don't bother reporting this stuff.' You wouldn't believe the self-justifications, like, `Well, celibacy only applies to not getting married, so since we're not getting married we can do whatever we want.' It was horrible, with a lot of intimidation, but I stayed because I felt this was what God was calling me to do; besides, if I'd walked, they'd have won.''

``Why are you telling me all this?'' he was asked.

``Because somebody has to talk about the elephant in the middle of our room. But mostly because I'm angry, not just for myself, but for friends of mine who are feeling besmirched, too. Believe me, there are wonderful priests throughout this archdiocese, celibate, faithful, loving the Church and loving God's people.

``The Church is embarrassed by this, and also concerned that if too many are weeded out there'll be a crisis in our work force because we're due to lose 70 to 80 guys through retirement in the next few years.

``My personal feeling is, I don't care; we should stand up and be counted, reaffirming the authentic faith. If this element isn't rooted out, we're going to see reoccurrences. Vocations will come back; God will take care of that.''

Fearing recrimination, he was asked why he doesn't rally those colleagues he claims to represent, perhaps issuing a joint statement, since there's strength in numbers?

``That may happen,'' he replied. ``I'm touching base with many of them because we know what needs to be said. But right now I just don't know what to do.''


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To: eno_
In other words, it isn't a handful of seriously mentally ill priests, it's gay chickenhawks, and a LOT of them.

You got it. That's what the Human Rights Campaign is all about. They want the kids.

And people like this have gone to work on presidential political campaigns, and they had the ear of the President.

See what we're up against?

41 posted on 03/16/2002 12:07:30 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: MI-WAC
Well at least the RC Church heirarchy is trying to do something.

I'm not sure they are, but I think we agree that they ought to.

Thanks very much for the link, I appreciate further links on these topics.

It seems to me that the gays have been engaged for quite some time in what I would call an ecclesiastical "cow-tipping" exercise, trying to tip over one or more of the mainline churches on levitical teaching and pronounce, against exegesis, that "gay is okay -- but you're not, unless you're okay with it!"

42 posted on 03/16/2002 12:12:04 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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Darn riight it's a threat. Boot homosexuals out of the leadership.

43 posted on 03/16/2002 12:30:27 PM PST by Khepera
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To: uncbob
No kidding. There were two gay math teachers at my high school. They were very tuned in to which kids were susceptible. Lucky for me I knew about such things and was mature enough to know why it would be a bad idea to socialize with them outside of school.

The elephant in the room is that homosexuals - especially male homosexuals - are prone to chickenhawking. We as a society have to make an explicit decision that this is a BAD THING. Adults are, and should be, free to make whatever decisions they choose. But this kind of relationship cannot be construed as healthy.

44 posted on 03/16/2002 1:20:41 PM PST by eno_
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To: MI-WAC
MI-WAC I‘ve spent the better part of the day looking for traditional orthodox Anglican churches in or around Bethesda MD and was surprised to see your reference to orthodoxanglican.org, I was on it today. We’re going to an Anglican Catholic Church in Alexandria, which is a 40-min drive from here and would like to find something nearer. Anyway, if you know of any web sites that have a way to search for these kinds of conservative churches I’d appreciate a link.
45 posted on 03/16/2002 1:48:47 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: eno_;marshmallow
"This is a great example of how the power of the network news in this country has been broken. The leftist newsies are in a position of having to deny a reality every other literate person knows to be true."

Sex before 8 - or it's too late! Craige McMillan on how media covers for homosexual child abusers

"... "Ho, hum," says the U.S. media. "Don't bother us. We're busy. We have these water buckets we're carrying for NAMBLA." Those initials stand for the North American Man Boy Love Association. Their long-standing motto, "sex before eight – or it's too late," only recently revised, makes their intent pretty clear.

Homosexuals, as represented in the U.S. media, come in only two varieties: upstanding citizen and persecuted victim.

Do homosexual priests rape choirboys? Not in medialand. There, Catholic priests abuse children – a phrase that's so gender-inclusive, and manages to twist one's attention onto the Catholic church, not the homosexual men who have made inroads into the clergy so they can prey on the innocence of children.

Do homosexual pastors rape congregants? Not in medialand. There "ministers are found with naked teens" and charged with "unlawful sex acts with a minor." Such inclusive language … my, isn't the media open-minded and progressive? We'd never guess it was male pastors and little boys, would we?

The media is too busy raping the Christian church on its news pages, the Boy Scouts during its evening news broadcasts, and the military in its editorials and at its cocktail parties. No, Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa don't warrant the truth, because it just might slow down the bucket brigade, and imply that homosexuals could possibly be, like the rest of us, just a smidgen short of sainthood..."


46 posted on 03/16/2002 1:56:03 PM PST by EdReform
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To: marshmallow
Right! Whats wrong with enjoying a little anal sex with another man, anyway? Why if it feels good, do it, right?

Why should some church try to stop two men from enjoying anal sex with each other? Why should said church try to keep out of its ranks, those who lust after other men?

The church should just shut up and pass out KY Jelly. This is the 2000's now. Next: pedophiles want their rights "expanded".

47 posted on 03/16/2002 1:58:42 PM PST by antidemocommie
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To: ikanakattara
Actually, the Apostle Paul was married at one time. He was a Pharisee, a postion that only married men could attain. What is not known is whether his wife had died or left him when he was converted to Jesus.
48 posted on 03/16/2002 2:05:07 PM PST by gracex7
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To: saradippity
I think you are very wrong.

My facts on married priests in the Eastern Rite and converted Episcopalian married priests are not wrong. You obviously disagree that married priests in the Western Rite would be a good thing.

But in any case wouldn't it be adding stupidity to probable error to change horses in mid-stream? No less,a raging stream with a huge waterfall within earshot. By the time the horse is changed we'll all be over the dam.

If a billion dollars in settlements to victims of these priests is "over the dam" I don't know what is.

Most Catholics (American and otherwise) are far less uptight about married priests than some on Free Republic.

49 posted on 03/16/2002 2:06:21 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Travis McGee
"Homosexuals don't reproduce: they can only recruit. That's why they depend on teen seducing "chickenhawks" to bring in fresh recruits from among the ranks of confused unformed adolescents."

Information for parents and teens posted here

50 posted on 03/16/2002 2:13:30 PM PST by EdReform
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To: AlaskaErik
The power of your faith is awe-inspiring.
51 posted on 03/16/2002 2:21:15 PM PST by Pistias
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To: Renatus
Who in the world are you talking about? Names please and how many and what proof to substantiate your accusation.

Many of them are proteges of the late Cardinal Bernardin.

Bernardin's Boys

Communications Ministry Inc

I trust this may help to alleviate some of your apparent bewilderment which the thought of an active Catholic homosexual network appears to bring.

Are you on a dessert island somewhere?

53 posted on 03/16/2002 2:35:42 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: Lithasis
Nuns gone A-whoring is only a small problem

If you've got something that backs this up, I'd like to see it.

nmh is a notorious Catholic-basher; I don't believe one thing he says about the Catholic Church.

54 posted on 03/16/2002 2:37:39 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: marshmallow
Already posted HERE on the day it was originally published (3/6) and with over 100 replies.
55 posted on 03/16/2002 2:41:19 PM PST by BansheeBill
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To: marshmallow
One of his closest friends – one of the original “Bernardin Boys” – Santa Fe Archbishop Michael Sheehan, who served as one of Bernardin’s four assistant general secretaries at the beginning of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, commented that Bernardin “was able to look at death as a friend, rather than as an enemy.”

This is a scurrilous article, and I'm surprised you buy this bullshit from RCF.

I know Mike Sheehan, personally, and have for the last twenty-five years; he's as upstanding a man and a bishop as I've ever known.

The title of "Bernardin boys" implies something about Sheehan, and anyone else mentioned in the article, that is never proven.

The RCF is not a reliable source for any kind of news about the Catholic Church. It has dedicated itself to destroying the reputations of certain Catholic clergy by innuendo.

You can do better than the RCF.

56 posted on 03/16/2002 2:45:44 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Sorry about the late response. May I suggest you check the web for the "Anglican Province of Christ the King" -- solid anglo-catholic. Not sure if they have a parish closer than Arlington though. I believe it is in the district.

BTW what is the name of the church in Arlington? I travel there frequently. Would be nice to visit.

Regards

58 posted on 03/16/2002 3:06:28 PM PST by rocketdoc
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To: Lithasis
First of all. I could care less about nmh being a basher. the information he gave is correct. Now go to any big city that has a large catholic clergy presence. Go to the police department and ask to see the call tickets for a given year. You'll find all the proof you will ever require/

As I suspected, you want me to prove your contention for you.

So far, you and nmh have made accusations you haven't proven.

So, I'll take them for what they're worth.

59 posted on 03/16/2002 3:07:42 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
I'll take your word that Sheehan is a fine bishop.

What I don't buy is your ad hominem type of argument.

RCF were the people reponsible for "outing" the St. Sebastian's Angels group, through exposing their web site. You may have heard of it. RCF was right on the money. It was exactly what RCF said it was.

RCF was also responsible for exposing the extraordinary behavior of then Bishop Daniel Ryan in Springfield, Ill. They were meticulous in collecting sworn testimony from numerous witnesses and compiled an airtight case.

Their work is certainly unpalatable to many but is too thorough to be simply dismissed with barnyard epithets.

60 posted on 03/16/2002 3:23:01 PM PST by marshmallow
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