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The Truth and Responsibility in Mental Health Practices Act [STOP DRUGGING OUR CHILDREN ACT]
Joyce Johnston ^ | 3/17/02 | Joyce Johnston

Posted on 03/17/2002 8:50:06 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK

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1 posted on 03/17/2002 8:50:06 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: dixie sass,chesty puller,antivenom,bigun,smallstuff,pocat,sunshine,jd792,stanleypie,joan_30,annie
BUMP FOR A GOOD CAUSE
2 posted on 03/17/2002 8:54:54 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Rats! I'm at my fallback browser & don't have the file handy... search FR for "Rx nation"-- a post of links I did about this subject.
3 posted on 03/17/2002 8:56:26 AM PST by backhoe
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
One point that I've been making for a while about the various school shootings:

We've had guns in American homes since the 1600's

We've had troubled teens since the first humans

But it's only in the last couple of decades that we've indulged in the wholesale drugging of small children, which also corresponds to sharp increases in insane violence.

4 posted on 03/17/2002 8:57:45 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Many thanks for this post.
5 posted on 03/17/2002 9:05:43 AM PST by Memother
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To: SauronOfMordor
When my son was in k-4 there was this little girl in his class who was a textbook example of ADHD... that is, assuming that ADHD is real. She could not sit still for 5 minutes, let alone a class period. I was then a teacher at the school, and it broke my heart to see her sitting in the office to see the principal again. Well, I dont' work there any longer and I understand she's one of the best behaved kids in first grade. I saw her the other day... she's gained some 30 pounds, walks dragging her feet, has no expression... Why aren't parents such as hers charged with child neglect?
6 posted on 03/17/2002 9:08:23 AM PST by Former Fetus
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To: backhoe
Here you go: Rx Nation
7 posted on 03/17/2002 9:12:35 AM PST by LiberteeBell
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I may be wrong, but I've also heard that when children are diagnosed with ADD/ADHD and perhaps the other disorders the author of this piece mentions, the parents can receive government disability monies. This whole business is a tradgedy.
8 posted on 03/17/2002 9:14:22 AM PST by 3catsanadog
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To: LiberteeBell
Thanx LiberteeBell
9 posted on 03/17/2002 9:17:39 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: Former Fetus
This whole ADD/ADHD is just the result of touchy-feely disciplining trends, the abundance of indoor "toys" (video games, television with 300 channels, etc.), lack of hard physical chores for children to be responsible for, easy access to junk food, day care institutionalization. In other words, kids are being raised completely opposite of how they were raised for thousands of years. We have a nation of spoiled brats and everybody is afraid to get tough with them.

And now the know it alls are curtailing recess activities because they think kids get too rough.

10 posted on 03/17/2002 9:21:50 AM PST by 3catsanadog
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To: LiberteeBell
Thanks! Not only are my files mostly absent on this thing, the keys stick, the trackball is gritty, and it is really slow. ( 66 mHtz 486, USR 33.6K modem )
11 posted on 03/17/2002 9:22:54 AM PST by backhoe
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To: Former Fetus
I'm homeschooling my two oldest. My middle daughter had some trouble in first grade, and the school wanted to get her on drugs.

We finally found out that she's hypoglycemic -- if her blood-sugar drops below a certain threshold she goes nuts and has hysterics. What fixes it is to give her a low-carb, high-protein breakfast which includes some meat (meat digests slowly, keeping her blood-sugar fairly level for a longer period), and making sure she gets an afternoon snack at about 3pm. Presto! No more psychotic episodes to deal with

12 posted on 03/17/2002 9:28:17 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: backhoe; ATOMIC_PUNK
No need to thank me; backhoe does so many wonderful things for this forum, HE'S the one deserving the thanks!

(BTW, backhoe, you must be going out of your mind!)

13 posted on 03/17/2002 9:34:40 AM PST by LiberteeBell
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YES thank you as well backhoe this is some that is actually for our children insteat of against them
14 posted on 03/17/2002 9:41:13 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: LiberteeBell;ATOMIC_PUNK
That old clunker drives me nuts, but at least I can get on the web.... I'm back at the "better" 486 now, so my files are again handy. I appreciate the help- it's really annoying to have the info but not be able to get it easily.
15 posted on 03/17/2002 9:58:03 AM PST by backhoe
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To: 3catsanadog
And then some kids get medicine that helps them to focus on their studies so that they end up being great students, go on to great colleges and grad schools, and have happy lives.

Perhaps there is some overprescription, and excessive efforts to diagnose being a boy as being ADHD, but this hysterical article does not make the case against ADHD medication well.

Too many people glorify teh old days when kids played outside a lot more, fathers used the belt on their kids, and their kids learned to behave. I think they remember the oast as better than it was.

In the old days, the hyper kid might manage to make it through school exercising enormous self-discipline on account of fear of a whipping from his father, and then he could take his place in life as a manual laborer. The same kid these days might actually end up as a good student and end up ebing quite successful.

Just because we are conservative and have a healthy distrust of social workers and the like, does not mean that ADHD is just something teachers invented because they don't want to deal with disruptive students all the time.

16 posted on 03/17/2002 10:33:24 AM PST by Montfort
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Thanks for posting this. I feel this vitally important to our children and our society. On the one hand we spend billions of dollars on the "war on drugs" while forcing parents to drug their children because they don't fit a predetermined mold.

Children who are diagnosed as ADHD have a psychiatric diagnosis that will follow them forever, and they are not allowed in the armed forces.

I also had a friend whose son was diagnosed as ADHD by a TEACHER, for heaven's sake. The school wanted her child on Ritalin. Well, she took her son to a neurologist who informed her that if her son were to be placed on Ritalin, it would have done major neurological damage.

BTW, I don't believe in ADHD.

17 posted on 03/17/2002 11:12:15 AM PST by scholar
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
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18 posted on 03/17/2002 11:28:35 AM PST by Pete53
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19 posted on 03/17/2002 11:56:19 AM PST by a history buff
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
The following is based on:

1. my short (four years) experience in Special Education and,

2. on the "stuff" I was taught while getting my Masters in Educational Psychology,

I believe that the "Disorders" mentioned in this article MAY be real, but they are nowhere near as prevalent as the educational psychologists and educational psychiatrists and the NEA would have us believe. Remember, their living depends on this!

Special Education, at least in the school in which I taught, was a dumping ground for all the kids who did not fit into the predetermined slot which the teacher thought he should occupy.

There are kids who are difficult to teach, but there have ALWAYS been kids who have been difficult to teach. Today the teacher and school administrations are handicapped by the threat of litigation and by the threat of adverse action that may be taken against them by higher-ups in the feeding chain. The adminstration threatens the teacher. The school board threatens the administration. The parents threaten everybody with a court action.

There is also the fact that teachers want to be rid those students who don't fit the mold and want to get them out of the classroom. The various "Diseases" mentioned in the article are seen as easy ways to be rid of them.

If the kid is readmitted to the mainstream classroom, it is usually with the proviso that he be put on some drug to "correct his behavior".

OK, this has been more or less a rant, but the present practices ordained by the educational psychology/psychiartry bunch is NOT helping the education of our young people.

20 posted on 03/17/2002 12:33:18 PM PST by BLASTER 14
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