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The Scout, the suspect and the SWAT team Shooting:
Baltimore Sun ^ | 18 March 2002 | Gail Gibson, Michael James and Laura Barnhardt

Posted on 03/18/2002 3:06:32 AM PST by Lloyd227

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

On March 1, FBI agents had a clear plan to catch a man wanted in a bank robbery. What unfolded was a remarkable series of mix-ups with a near-fatal outcome.

The order from an FBI commander to a SWAT team waiting outside a Glen Burnie 7-Eleven was simple and direct.

"Follow the red car."

To FBI Special Agent Christopher Braga, it signaled that the man inside the car, the one wearing the white baseball cap, was the bank robbery suspect agents had been tracking. Braga, with other members of the elite FBI team, moved in to make the arrest.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: copernicus5; donutwatch; enforcement; fbi; government; swat
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To: Lloyd227

Now let me see, who should I believe, two kids enjoying a slurpee and not a care in the world, or, Federal Cowboys with hot trigger fingers trying desperately to save their butts?

For some reason I am inclined to believe the kids as they were never willing parties to this sad affair. Grown men, in a supposed professional job and they have to resort to lying to save their own skins.

There were no mistakes made, there was gross arrogance and disregard for human life. This man should be fired and brought up on manslaughter charges, by the state not the Federal government. It will never happen, the jerk will walk.

121 posted on 03/18/2002 12:38:32 PM PST by cynicom
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To: Lloyd227
FBIStapo bump.
122 posted on 03/18/2002 12:41:31 PM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: Kermit
You need to remember that the democraps line is federalize to professionalize. I tend to think it's federalize to U.N.isize. Bush needs to turn the heat up on these fast and loose bunch of cowboy wannabees and fire, no incarcerate them, if this is the best they can do for a a low level petty criminal solution. What a bunch of morons. Spin doctors can only spin, they can't hide the awful truth here.
123 posted on 03/18/2002 12:44:56 PM PST by Issaquahking
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To: Darth Sidious
"...he earned the rank of Star Scout."

Good catch, I wondered if anyone would comment on that. I just copy the news stories and cannot explain the differences in the details.

Very observant of you! Keep watch on all the details !


124 posted on 03/18/2002 12:53:48 PM PST by Lloyd227
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To: Lloyd227
This is our premier investigative agency and they can't do a thing without a snitch. The FBI's vaunted forensic capabilities are useful to them mainly in the manufacturing of evidence for use in their cases which are all made for them by snitches.

This agency needs to be dismantled and its agents barred from further federal employment.

125 posted on 03/18/2002 12:58:18 PM PST by Twodees
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To: cynicom
Agree completely with one exception...... ATTEMPTED manslaughter charges... Thank GOD the kid wasn't killed.

Not this time anyway

126 posted on 03/18/2002 12:58:30 PM PST by Lloyd227
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To: Travis McGee
Obviously the FBI considers itself to be so far above mere peasants that they can shoot them for making "sudden movements".

Or maybe they think it's spelled Pheasants. See movement, pull trigger, bag Pheasant.

127 posted on 03/18/2002 1:05:06 PM PST by Melinator
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To: Twodees
The fingerprint franchise, and related forensic franchises can be placed under the authority of intra-state clearinghouse. While having a number of regional or other basis bonded clearinghouses might seem to introduce overlap and communication ineffectiancies, or privacy issues, by beibg accountable to market forces -- a state or county opting out after a miscue -- their accountability would be higher. Such clearinghouses, coorperatives and intra-agency/state entities already exist for many different purposes from missing persons clearinghouses to buying coops.
128 posted on 03/18/2002 1:08:00 PM PST by bvw
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To: Lloyd227
Star is two levels below Eagle IIRC. After Star is Life Scout, then Eagle.
129 posted on 03/18/2002 1:11:19 PM PST by Twodees
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To: Lloyd227;Travis McGee;nunya bidness
Volume: 1 Number: 294_law June 18, 2001

Report: Justice Department investigating former Maryland U.S. attorney

By The Associated Press

The U.S. Department of Justice is investigating whether federal prosecutors in Maryland destroyed evidence and leaked grand jury testimony to keep alive a misconduct probe against a state trooper, according to a report in Friday’s Washington Times.

The trooper’s brother, meanwhile, accused former Attorney General Janet Reno of delaying the probe to give Gov. Parris Glendening time to appoint former U.S. Attorney for Maryland Lynne A. Battaglia as a judge on the Court of Appeals.

John D. White said his brother, Michael R. White of Mechanicsville, was investigated by Battaglia’s office because he and another trooper pushed for the prosecution of domestic abuse charges against a high-ranking police official with ties to Battaglia.

A Justice Department attorney confirmed the probe in an April letter to Sen. Orrin G. Hatch, R-Utah, who had been chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee until recently. “I believe Reno took over nine months to even respond to my complaint ... to allow Governor Glendening to appoint Lynne Battaglia,” John White told The Washington Times.

The allegations follow an affidavit filed last summer by a federal agent accusing Battaglia of threatening to have him transferred for complying with a congressman’s request for data about her office’s prosecution record.

Battaglia said at the time that she called the agent — Larry Stewart, then the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms special agent in charge for Baltimore — to let him know she was “unhappy.”

A federal jury acquitted Michael White of mail fraud on Dec. 17, 1999, clearing him of charges that he had conducted secret inspections for a salvage operation accused of selling cars rebuilt with stolen parts. State police are still pursuing administrative charges against the trooper, who has been on emergency suspension from police duty since March 12, 1997.

A tape of an interview with Michael White that is now blank is a key part of the investigation.

The trooper claims the blank tape allowed Assistant U.S. Attorney Stuart A. Berman and state police investigator Lt. James Wright to “insert lies within the (report) necessary to support Wright’s perjury to the grand jury and the (trial) jury.”

An administrative hearing before a Maryland State Police panel is scheduled July 16 for Michael White.

Meanwhile, Charles County Circuit Court Judge Christopher C. Henderson ruled May 7 that Maryland State Police Superintendent Col. David Mitchell must show that he and the department didn’t Michael White’s rights by filing charges without probable cause and by not filing the charges through proper channels and on time.

A hearing on that issue is scheduled June 25 in Charles County Circuit Court. Home | Finance | Health Care | TechLink Off The Record | Real Estate | Law | Statewide Copyright © 2000 The Daily Record. All Rights Reserved.

131 posted on 03/18/2002 1:18:59 PM PST by Donald Stone
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To: Lloyd227
In 1913 the Seventeenth Amendment established direct election of Senators by the people.

Since 1913 we have seen unchecked growth in central authority out of Washington, and the 17th admendment is one big feeder root of it. Is there a single senator any more who is responsible to the Constitution, who would hold any Federal agency responsible? Why should they? There is NOTHING in it for them to raise flack over a federal issue. If it is a established agency, it hardly gains them political headway to charge partisanly against that politically neutered bulwark, for no voter long beholds it for a party issue.

The States might check the Federal overgrowth, for the political sake of state politcians. But we no longer have even that check, and those who favored the 17th when ratified made their case that a state's legislative votes were more easily bought than the general electorate. The Oil Senators from oil states, the Coal Senators from Coal States, etc. At least they did represent their true state interests, and not just that of the beltway class.

The cancer-like over growth of Federal power has followed on that experiment -- it is a failed one, and needs repeal like was done with the 1919's sad 18th amendment, thankfully repealed in 1933's 21st amendment.

We think of FDR has the founder of the current federal socialism, that is not true -- the founding was in 1913 and therabout. FDR packed the Court, and finalized the socialist takeover, but it was the "progressive" tempers of the 1910s that set it all up.

133 posted on 03/18/2002 1:33:09 PM PST by bvw
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To: harpseal, Travis McGee
I was telling this story to a few people at the station. They all did the same thing, looked down, shook their heads and said "typical FBI." A couple said "well, look what they did at Ruby Ridge."

If I had done the same thing, I would imagine I would have already been indicted by the Grand Jury.

The good agents are the ones who will suffer on the LE side. Especially if there is no accountability. These things can't be covered up.

134 posted on 03/18/2002 1:36:43 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Travis McGee; sneakypete; Yarddog
I am familiar with the aluminum tubing concept of course I would never ever construct such a device as it might be considered an illegal sound suppressor. I have a bad back these days and my knees are shot buT I can still keep them in the 10 ring on a 50 foot NRA slow fire pistol target at 75 feet rapid fire. i know of at least one local FBI agent who is one of the local best who can not do as well and I know of a Secret Service agent who although pretty good drawing his 9mm and double tapping at 25 feet can not quite do at 25 feet what I can do at fifty.

Always remeber Old age and treachery is often a match for youth and energy.

Stay well - stay safe- stay armed - Yorktown

135 posted on 03/18/2002 1:41:16 PM PST by harpseal
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To: harpseal
Oh, and speaking of not getting medical attention not soon enough, one of our guys got charged and went to trial for not decontaminating a guy he sprayed with pepper spray fast enough. He was found not guilty at the trial and got his job back.
137 posted on 03/18/2002 1:45:22 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch
I had overlooked him shooting through the car glass, thanks.
138 posted on 03/18/2002 1:54:35 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: Cap'n Crunch; Travis McGee
The good agents are the ones who will suffer on the LE side. Especially if there is no accountability. These things can't be covered up.

Sadly you are correct. The damage to the public confidence in the FBI caused by this is so great that I am not certain they can recover. The reality is all law enforcement must rely on public cooperation and there are two ways to get that cooperatiion intimidation or public respect. Shooting innocent kids does away the earned respect side of the coin so that leaves them intimidation.

On another thread an agent said to a former agent investigating "You are either with us or against us." Well that about sums it up. how is the typical state or local LEO going to react to a Febbie when they see one them walk on this one. They already have a rep as being arrogant sob's who try to grab the glory without doing the work. The perception of them being an arbitray secret police force that exists to wreck havoc on American citizens is already there. The perception that they may be dropping the ball on national security is already there. Hey somebody in a position to exercise authority ought to at least have the B*lls to say bad Fibbie no donut. Instead this will ikely be used to gain a political club over a large part of the agency by Angelos and we shall pay a subsequent price nationally.

On another thread you pointed out that even local LEO's are facing some major anti-gun pressures combined with unaccountable federal police this does not bode well for our Republic. I only hope Travis gets out his book before it is a historical novel.

Stay well - stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

139 posted on 03/18/2002 2:03:50 PM PST by harpseal
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Regarding your guy who went to trial over not deconatamninating a pepper gas subject. If he had not gone to trial I will bet a hundred donuts that the Fibbies would have been all over your department like stink on sh*t.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

140 posted on 03/18/2002 2:12:31 PM PST by harpseal
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