Killing Gentiles

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[Burkeman1]

March 12, 2002 Ariel Sharon has finally gone too far. Israel’s thuggish prime minister thought he could crush the Palestinian revolt with a policy of violence, killing Palestinians until they begged for mercy. But the policy has backfired by getting lots of Jews killed too, and the violence on both sides is escalating dangerously. Even Sharon’s indulgent American patrons, George W. Bush and Colin Powell, have called for a halt to the madness.

Sharon is acting according to his lights. He has never concealed his contempt for “the goy” — the gentile. Israel is based on the principle that Jews have rights “goyim” don’t have. Hence its abuse of Arab gentiles and its defiance of Western gentiles.

Mark Weber of the Institute for Historical Review has summed up the situation in one pithy sentence: “The truth is that if we held Israel to the same standards that we apply to Serbia, Afghanistan, and Iraq, U.S. bombers and missiles would be blasting Tel Aviv, and we’d be putting Israeli prime minister Sharon behind bars for war crimes and crimes against humanity.”

Unless I’ve missed something, even such alleged “anti-Semites” as David Duke and Louis Farrakhan don’t advocate treating Jews as Israel treats gentiles. Anyone with a spark of decency would be ashamed to treat Jews that way. Yet a gentile can be accused of anti-Semitism even for the purely verbal sin of criticizing Israel, whereas a Jew who supports Sharon’s physical cruelty is accused of ... well, nothing. We have no handy word for even the most brutal Jewish treatment of gentiles.

To challenge the Jews’ right to oppress Palestinians is called “denying Israel’s right to exist.” Apparently its “right to exist” includes the right to oppress, and is indeed inseparable from it. Even the “peace plans” that call for separate Jewish and Palestinian states seem to take for granted the right of the Jewish state to treat Arabs within its borders as inferiors.

Perish the thought that Jews and gentiles should be equal! That would be anti-Semitism.

According to Israel’s “amen corner” in this country, Israel can do no wrong, except to concede too much to the Palestinians. Israel is a heroic “democracy” even when it treats its minority like dirt, and a “reliable ally” of the United States even when it steals American military secrets and sells them to Communist countries.

It’s an article of faith among the Amen Corner that the Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard — a national hero in Israel, by the way — has been punished far too harshly for his crimes, since the United States should have shared those secrets with Israel anyway. And far from recoiling from Sharon’s brutality, the Amen Corner defends him at every turn, just as Stalin’s fellow travelers in this country used to justify Uncle Joe — except that some in the Amen Corner think Sharon isn’t going far enough.

Not all the members of the Amen Corner are Jewish. Many are Christians — a shameful fact, since they never raise their voices in defense of Palestinian Christians. “See how these Christians love one another!” This kind of loyalty might make Judas Iscariot queasy.

The obvious danger is that the United States will once more be drawn into war with Israel’s enemies, chiefly Iraq. If that happens, we probably won’t be as lucky as in the 1991 Gulf War, which ended with an easy American victory and little cost until last September 11. This time the whole Middle East could erupt in war and revolution, leaving us with countless millions of bitter enemies on top of those we already have. It will be a boon to al-Qaeda recruitment.

The U.S. Government is toying with the possibility of using nuclear weapons in the war ahead — the war that the “war on terrorism” may morph into. We can be sure that the fanatical Sharon won’t object, and some of his American apologists are sounding rather interested in the idea of nuking Arabs. If the United States does it, Israel won’t have to.

We can only hope that Bush, Powell, and the rest of the top echelon of the government — which may or may not include Congress these days — will come to their senses before they decide to strike Iraq. U.S. support for Israel has already cost us far too much, and it may yet cost us far more. Ariel Sharon leaves no excuse for blindness about what we are dealing with.

Joseph Sobran

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[SevenDaysInMay]

The Easter Bunny could be the Israeli P.M. and Israel would still face murders daily. Sharon is a media whipping boy. There is no term which would end the arab war to destroy Israel.

[rmlew]

Seems to me you never have anything nice to say about Muslims. Your figures are inflated.
1. I don't catagorically hate Muslims.
Actually, I like Turks (not just those of Anatolia but across the Eurasian Steppe.) I feel a cultural affinity towards them.
As much as I support Western civ, the Spanish reconquest was a disaster for Jews.
Having studied various religions for classes, Islam is the one other than Judaism that I could deal with.
As trite as it sounds, I went to school with Muslims for all but 3 years, when I went to Yeshiva. When a Muslim transfered to my WASPy private school, I was the first student to invite Mohammed to a lunch table or invite him home.

2. What did I inflate?

[Excuse_Me]

And everyone that criticizes Israel and Jews is an "anti-semite" or a "terrorist," right?

Certainly not. I find that most of them are merely fools.

[IcommGen]

I don't know if you're aware of this (or any of the Israel bashers for that matter), but just for your information, the MAJORITY of the tactics employed by American forces on the ground in the 'war on terror' are learned from the Israelis.

The Israelis should take a lot of pride in the fact that the worlds biggest and most powerful military learns from them. That is respect.

[boltfromblue]

Amen. These Palestinians who got their land taken from them, first by the Brits, the League of Nations and then the UN, over their ignored objections deserve to fight for it and every civilian in Israel who uses this contraband land Palestinians have a right to fight, for it. Any nation or people including ours would know they have a right to do the same.

[mv1]

WHY DID YOU LEAVE THIS PART OUT(BOLD)??????

The notorious "Holocaust denier" Mark Weber, of the Institute for Historical Review, has summed up the situation in one pithy sentence: "The truth is that if we held Israel to the same standards that we apply to Serbia, Afghanistan, and Iraq, U.S. bombers and missiles would be blasting Tel Aviv, and we'd be putting Israeli prime minister Sharon behind bars for war crimes and crimes against humanity."

[xm177e2]

WHY DID YOU LEAVE THIS PART OUT(BOLD)??????

If you click on the "source" of this article, you'll see those words aren't there.

Maybe the article was changed where it was posted somewhere else, but Burkeman1 is not guilty of foul play.

[mv1]

If you click on the PRINT bar on that page the print version has those words. It makes a world of difference if that phrase is left out, which it is in the version as linked--so that is correct just a very bad glitch that makes Sobran look very bad.

[xm177e2]

Do you think it's a glitch? Or do you think Sobran updated his page to make himself not look so bad?

[xm177e2]

Why are the words "Holocaust Denier" encased in scare quotes? Does Sobran think there is no such thing as Holocaust denial?

[xm177e2]

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[xm177e2]

Look at the summary of the March 12th article, "Killing Gentiles" (from what I posted above, the URL is here)

Killing Gentiles
Anyone with a spark of decency would be ashamed to treat Jews the way Jews treat Gentiles.

Sobran is saying ALL Jews are mistreating ALL Gentiles. He's a Jew-hating creep.

[besieged]

These Palestinians who got their land taken from them, first by the Brits, the League of Nations and then the UN, over their ignored objections deserve to fight for it and every civilian in Israel who uses this contraband land Palestinians have a right to fight, for it. Any nation or people including ours would know they have a right to do the same.

Ok... tell me what you think of my "adjustments" on your statement? (In bold in case you don't remember what you wrote)

These Native Americans who got their land taken from them, first by the Brits[no change needed], the Spanish and then the US, over their ignored objections deserve to fight for it and every civilian in USA who uses this contraband land Native Americans have a right to fight, for it. Any nation or people including ours would know they have a right to do the same.

[boltfromblue]

Thanks for posting my words, as they need correction., to wit: . . .every civilian in Israel who uses this contraband land Palestinians have a right to [Insert : ,has no right to] fight, for it.
My family would never have disagreed with your sense of fairness, as an early ancestor lived with Indians, by whom he was far better treated than by the Brit leaders. In fact, our whole colonial state lived harmoniously with an Indian population until a CT colony came in and killed our neighbor Indians, leading them to believe we did it. However, the ensuing dissension has been settled by agreements providing reservations for all the tribes, just as Palestinians would now agree to allowing Israel to exist.

[besieged]

Excuse me???

I think you might have the relationships reveresed. You see... everything was settled and the present day Americans have allowed the Indians to exist in reservations, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND! I wonder how happy you and your saintly family would be if YOU were the one living on a reservation now!

But you have the Palestinians allowing the Isrelis to live on a "reservation" AFTER losing the war... I don't know what part of the galaxy you come from, but the losers of war do not usually confine the winners to reservations.

So.. I ask you, how much effort has your family gone to to return the land to the rightful owners, the Native Americans, and to shuttle off to a reservation???

The few palestininians who lived there before 1948 bet on the wrong horse, abandoned their land with expectations of returning in a few days to claim not only what was theirs, but also to steal the land from the Jews (who actually BOUGHT IT WITH GOLD) after the Arab armada came and wiped that Jewish infestation off the face of the earth. Well, too bad.

In 1967, the Arabs attacked again, and got their asses whupped again, and lost a whole lot of area. (Isn't that how most countries determine their boundaries, by who wins and loses land in a conflict?) The Arabs should be praising Allah to have sent them such idiotic adversaries as the Israelis, who after winning land give it back time and time again. (Can we say Sinai peninsula, boys and girls?)

In any case... I think you need to read some history books. Come to think of it... even a history pamphlet will triple your knowledge base. Good luck.

[TopQuark]

I don't know what part of the galaxy you come from After exchanging a few posts with him, I came to ask myself the same thinh. I also ended one of my posts just as you did. But he wouldn't read.

That bolt out of the blue --- it made one of the screws loose...

[denydenydeny]

I liked where he called David Duke and Louis Farrakhan

alleged "anti-Semites"

The last remaining bit of respect I had for this guy is gone.

[TopQuark]

Sobran is getting more and more trivial (I guess it is the destiny of every mind overcome by hatred).

But the policy has backfired by getting lots of Jews killed too That is indeed breaking news: Jews are being killed as a result of Sharon's policies. There was no such thing, you see, before before Sharon. No wars launched by the Arab world against Israel. Not the Intifada of the early 1990s. No Israeli athletes killed at the 1972 Olympic Games. D-mn Sharon: Jews begin to be killed because of him.

One could also ask Sobran: where was he and his outrage when Arafat's thugs destroyed Lebanon and liberated it from its own citizens? Which claims to the land did these "fighters" have in Lebanon. One could also ask Sobran whether he remembers how Arafat's thugs got there. It is after they raised hell against the King of Jordan, who controlled the now disputed territories, and after the King forcefully suppressed Arafat's attempt to overtake Jordan by killing about 20,000 of his fellow Arab Muslims --- is after that Arafat's fighters moved to Lebanon.

Did any of that bother you, Mr. Sobran? Are you aware of these facts? Or, do you disregard things unless they deal with the Joooos?

treating Jews as Israel treats gentiles So Israel treats Palestinians in a way questionable by Sobran because of the… religious differences, because Palestinians are gentiles? Is there evidence of such things in the millennia past? Why does Israel concentrate only on the Muslim, Arab gentiles living on this particular land and does not treat any other gentiles similarly? Not the Egyptian gentiles, although they fought wars in the past; not Turkish gentiles, with whom they always had peace; not Hindu gentiles, not Christian gentiles. Somehow, Israel exhibits its hatred of gentiles only if you are (i) Muslim, (ii) Arab, (iii) live on disputed territories, and (iv) participate actively in terrorist acts.

What a moron you are, Mr. Sobran.

Another giveaway, which Freud would call a projection: Not all the members of the Amen Corner are Jewish. Many are Christians — a shameful fact, since they never raise their voices in defense of Palestinian Christians.

It does not even occur to this bigot that modern Christians and Jews do not align themselves along the lines of faith but with right against wrong, with good against evil. Presently, this is a distinguishing feature, prescribed indeed by Islam, of the Arab world.

In that sense, Mr. Sobran thinks like a medieval Arab and makes a projection on the rest of us.

war with Israel’s enemies, chiefly Iraq. If that happens, we probably won’t be as lucky as in the 1991 Gulf War, which ended with an easy American victory

We had "and easy victory" in part because Israelis bombed Iraqi nuclear installations ten years earlier. As G. Will pointed out, without the Israeli raid, "there would have been no Desert Storm." We would be restrained by the Iraqi nuclear capabilities.

Say "thank you," Mr. Sobran.

[TopQuark]

You have my respect, sir.

We all live and learn. Some things are not immediately obvious and take time to reveal themselves. It is a sign of a truly honest, intellectually pure thinker to yield to the newly available information and abandon the previously held beliefs under the preponderance of evidence to the contrary.

Thank you for your post.

[Alouette]

Do not waste your time responding to doltwithnoclue. He is a crackhead.