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Campaign finance gets final OK
The Boston Globe ^ | 3/21/2002 | Susan Milligan

Posted on 03/21/2002 6:03:38 AM PST by Walkin Man

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:07:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON - Ending seven years of divisive debate, Congress yesterday passed and sent to President Bush legislation to make the most sweeping changes in the country's campaign finance system since the Watergate era, including a ban on unregulated ''soft money'' contributions to national parties.


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To: eureka!
As to those here who scream "liar" and "traitor", this is exactly what the 'Rats want

Exactly. Bush never said that he would veto CFR and you are correct this is politics, with help from the liberal media.

It is very easy for people to pontificate from FR, but Joe and Jane sixpack gets their news from the media and we know they are all for this and if Bush vetoes headlines everyday will be shouting Bush vetoed because of Enron.

He signs it and it goes to the courts where precedant states that the most vile part of the bill, the ad bans 30 and 60 days before an election get thrown out.

Bush doesn't have the media blaring Bush is protecting "fatcats", the hard money increase stays intact, and McCain doesn't have an issue to beat Bush over the head with in 2004, but that won't matter to the loudmouths, they don't know the nuances of politics.

And to all the loudmouths name me a President since and including Washington that hasn't played politics.

I will be waiting a long time.

21 posted on 03/21/2002 6:31:42 AM PST by Dane
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To: Hillary's Folly
The idea that this lame excuse for a man would ever enter a bar with "the unwashed rabble" is so far fetched as to make my comment obviously absurd, I would think. I know what you mean though, no Jeffersonian thought allowed in this day and age, eh?
22 posted on 03/21/2002 6:33:11 AM PST by Lumberjack
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To: Lumberjack
We took a step nearer the ammo box during "Election 2000 (Overtime)". If "hand counting" ballots behind closed doors in Florida resulted in such a reaction, this mess is going to result in many unpleasant unintended consequences.
23 posted on 03/21/2002 6:34:49 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: Lumberjack
The only man more dangerous than one who knows he does evil, is one who is equally evil, but believes he does good. Witness bin Laden. And to an extent, McCain.
24 posted on 03/21/2002 6:35:41 AM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: Walkin Man
***''I am somewhat speechless,''
said an emotional Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and the chief architect of legislation that the Senate gave final approval, 60-40."***

Well, heck so will I be thanks to you, you dirty rotten stinkin' rat fink hater of our Constitution.
Just because you are corrupt and many of your bedfellows are corrupt, honest citizens all have to feel the sting of your quilt?

25 posted on 03/21/2002 6:35:47 AM PST by harpo11
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To: Walkin Man
Don't forget, the GOP CONTROLLED HOUSE passed this pos in the middle of the night!!!!
26 posted on 03/21/2002 6:35:55 AM PST by jungleboy
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To: Charles Martel
his mess is going to result in many unpleasant unintended consequences.

A fine choice of words. I agree. We'll see. In any event, I am disgusted that Bush Jr. would play politics with one of our fundamental rights, regardless of the outcome.

27 posted on 03/21/2002 6:36:47 AM PST by Lumberjack
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To: jungleboy
Don't forget, the GOP CONTROLLED HOUSE passed this pos in the middle of the night!!!!

THIS BEARS REPEATING!


28 posted on 03/21/2002 6:38:27 AM PST by Lumberjack
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To: Walkin Man
President Bush said that he would sign it into law.

As promised, there is now no way I will ever vote for President Bush ever again.

29 posted on 03/21/2002 6:39:26 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Dane
Re#21 Exactly. W has beat the 'Rats and pressholes like a drum and is doing so again. I do hope that at the signing he expresses "with all due respect (*snicker*) to the Senate, my grave reservations and concerns and that I have confidence in the courts to purge the arguably constitutionally offensive provisions of this imperfect attempt by the people's representatives to avoid the scandals of the past (harkening to Budhist monks)..."
30 posted on 03/21/2002 6:40:50 AM PST by eureka!
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To: technochick99
As well as not voting for Jim Ryan, I will not be voting for George W. Bush, even if he is running against Hillary Clinton.
31 posted on 03/21/2002 6:41:03 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Lumberjack
That darn itch again....
32 posted on 03/21/2002 6:41:47 AM PST by WALLACE212
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To: eureka!
While I share the firm belief by many that W should veto this piece of cr*p for what it is, I can understand that politics too have to be played and some capital spent. As such, I don't much see it as a betrayal of anything. It is the way the system works...

I understand what you are saying but I have to disagree with you. The President put his hand on a Bible and swore to protect and defend the Constitution. This anti-free speech bill is clearly unconstitutional and I believe the President knows it.

He may be doing the "smart" thing politically by signing this bill into law hoping that the SCOTUS strikes it down but he is not adhering to his oath of office, IMHO. All military vets take the same oath to protect and defend the Constitution and many give their very lives for it. I think it is sad that the same oath is sold out for political expediency.

33 posted on 03/21/2002 6:41:50 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: Walkin Man
''I don't know anyone who can give a complete answer'' about the legislation's effect ''until we've experienced it,'' Daschle said. ''I don't think it's going to answer all our problems.''

That's because you all are the problem passing unconstitutional law and full well knowing it is wrongheaded, full well knowing it faces lawsuits, full well knowing it is against the people's First Amendment and full well knowing it is in violation of your sworn oath which today is as cheap as the piddly slimey words that froth from your drooling mouth.

34 posted on 03/21/2002 6:41:59 AM PST by harpo11
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To: Dane
He signs it and it goes to the courts where precedant states that the most vile part of the bill, the ad bans 30 and 60 days before an election get thrown out.

If he would sign totally unconstitutional laws against free speech, he would also willingly and eagerly sign a totally unconstitutional law banning all guns.

He has lost my vote, permanently.

35 posted on 03/21/2002 6:43:03 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Walkin Man
''I am somewhat speechless,''

Quite incorrect Mr. McCain, you as an incumbent politician, are one of the few left that this bill doesn't render speechless.

You and your sycophants in the left wing press.

36 posted on 03/21/2002 6:43:38 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Walkin Man
I have a theory as to what will eventually occur should this become law and pass Supreme Court challenges.

With no advertising allowed 60 days before an election, NETWORKS will basically become the information organs for the various parties and candidates at election time.

In other words (due to the law of supply and demand, and hypothetically speaking), CNN will be the network that promotes liberal/Democratic candidates and ideas (business as usual), while Fox will be forced to more boldly satisfy the need for accurate information about conservatives who are running.

I'm sure it would take a while for all of this to develop, but I've got to believe the need for accurate info on candidates and issues will be met one way or the other.

Then watch the libs start pushing for reinstatement of the "fairness doctrine."

37 posted on 03/21/2002 6:44:48 AM PST by daler
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
...what if the Supreme Court upholds the bill in full?

Then I would say that the whole Bill of Rights is in mortal danger. Next up would be a total ban on guns perhaps? Who knows?

38 posted on 03/21/2002 6:44:59 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: Walkin Man
He may be doing the "smart" thing politically by signing this bill into law hoping that the SCOTUS strikes it down but he is not adhering to his oath of office, IMHO.

Correct. And pitting Hillary Clinton against W in 2004, the choice will be for someone who will sign laws intended to destroy the Bill of Rights, or someone who DID sign laws intended to destroy the Bill of Rights.

39 posted on 03/21/2002 6:45:06 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: eureka!
Consider:

What is the outcome, if the "last 60 days" portion of the bill is declared unconstitutional (as it should, and will be), while keeping the remainder of the bill intact?

That would have been the thing to do if Bush had the line item veto to work with.

But, since he does not, why not pass it to the courts, that do have that capability??

Seems to be, the remainder of the bill then becomes a watershed of more money for the repubs, because in effect, the limits placed on contributions just went up, straight up, and as the repubs are traditionally better at gathering cash, I believe the dems just got talked into cutting their own throats, and smiling while they are doing it!!!

That, my friend, is how politics is played.

40 posted on 03/21/2002 6:45:26 AM PST by going hot
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