Skip to comments."MEXICAN AMNESTY UPDATE" (STRATEGY FROM PRO-ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION WEBSITE)
Posted on 03/24/2002 5:56:20 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
The Bush administration is pushing Congress to make good on the president's promise to grant amnesty to millions of Mexican workers living and working illegally in the United States. Bush is preparing once more to take up the matter with Mexican President Vicente Fox in Monterrey, Mexico, on March 22.
James W. Ziglar, commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, for weeks has been insisting the issue is alive. 'Some believe that our migration talks with Mexico have been forgotten in the wake of September 11. I assure you that is not the case,' he told a gathering of pro-immigration organization leaders at the National Immigration Forum Conference earlier this month.
Mr. Ziglar outlined the administration's goals earlier this month at the immigration forum conference, where he said that ranking State Department and INS officials have been meeting with 'high level Mexican officials' on amnesty and related immigration issues. The 'amnesty' is more of a point based guest worker program that would provide legal status, with points being awarded for certain qualities in the applicant. Enough points would qualify a person for a visa.
Those who would be most eligible for the program would be illegal workers who have been in the country for a long time, are employed, have family connections here, have passed background checks and have no criminal record. One question is whether the visas should be temporary or permanent. President Bush wants them to be permanent, in the form of Green Cards.
Others want to see something more like the H-2 temporary work visa, renewable indefinitely. As a compormise, others suggest that Mexican workers be given renewable, temporary work permits. After six to 10 years, the workers could be made eligible for permanent residency. The administration argues that the nation needs foreign workers to farm and garden and to do the menial hotel, restaurant and hospital jobs that many American workers disdain. They say their cheap labor benefits U.S. consumers by keeping down the cost of food and services. Of course, it is also important to recognize and treat fairly the Mexican nationals who have taken up residence in our country.
Despite the evidence from all over the political spectrum, obsessive Bush Apologists and Amnesty Deniers will be no more likely to admit the truth today than they were yesterday.
Stepping into the light doesn't appear to be a viable option for them.
Still, it's worth the effort, if only to expose the Deniers' lack of a coherent position to those genuinely on the fence. Nice post.
You're right. But where can I find an employer that will pay me a decent wage when he or she can get an illegal to work for 1/4 (or less) of what I would?
Bush figures "We elitists are all the same no matter which side of the Rio Bravo we live on! Borders? We don't need no stinkin borders!"
I remember some polls of illegals in California from Mexico also showed this very self centered, self culture centrific dynamic on the part of Mexico.
Bush is too nice of a guy and it translates into naivety on a grand scale in foreign policy as executed through his State Department and INS. HIS Administration, now. For it is over one year out since he took over from Clinton and could have started cleaning the house. The next terrorist attack is on HIS WATCH.
I hope it does not then develop into an open border laying the groundwork for even more hideous US attacks, but it may very well happen that way. An immense, stupid political risk if you ask me. If there is a major attack and he was seen as being all open borders again, you can bet a conservative candidate will take up the standard against him in 2004, or we may have a conservative populist take up an independent party route in protest. It happened to his dad.
You know, I actually wanted to beleive what you say about him. I voted for this pallazo and I had hoped he would really turn things around with illegal immigration. He led us to beleive he would control immigration and then did a back flip on us. At first, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and figured he was being over compasionate and naive.
But when he sucks up to Foxy and obviously intends to accellerate the illegal alien problem rather than fixing it, he shows me his true colors. He is looking to provide business with an unlimited source of cheap labor and the American public can be damned! He'll just let us pay for all their welfare benefits and health/education goodies.
But let another 9/11 thing happen and he will be toast along with anyone who supports this ridiculous illegal plan. The next time, you will see a hue and cry to round up and deport every single last alien in the country.
I would not advocate putting foreigners in jail in such a case, but we certainly have the right to order them out of the country. It would be sad to see, but we really need to stop putting P.C. ahead of our national security.
Based on my experience, the ones that are here legally are OK. The ones that are here illegally are basically the criminal class, average education is the 6th grade, IQ not that high.
And how long will it be 'cheap labor' if the left has anything to say about it, and mark my words they will? The 'cheap labor' will be just another cudgel in the hands of the left to create more agitation in this country.
The only "special relationship" that exists between the U.S. and that third-world dump to the south is similar to the relationship a fat malignant tumor has with whatever it's attached to.
Heck no, I am talking about the "old-time" immigrants that came here 20 or more years ago. I don't know the stats but I would be surprised if more than 10% were here legally. I don't count the "got-legal-after-amnesty" folks as being here legally.
And I completely agree about the rest of your post. Even in Lancaster County, PA we are being overrun. There are parts of Lancaster city that look as bad as anything you will see in the Third World.
If you do not agree with what Bush is doing on the immigration problem, make a note to yourself!
Tomorrow morning send off an e-mail or phone call to your state and national Republican committee and tell them if Bush does not lose his love affair with Mexico and start putting America and Americans first (not just business interests) that you will leave the Republican Party!
If he gets enough flak from his own party he may start listening to them and dump Karl Rove.
Remember! It's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease!
1) They have 'run the numbers' and looked at past RINO sellouts, and believe that in taking up the mantle of gradual regularization and legitimization of illegal aliens, they will gain access to Hispanic votes in 2004 and be assured of reelection;
2), they have concluded they would take a short term 'hit' from this from GOP conservatives in forums and on talk shows and at the grassroots and in Congress, but that after time all would settle down and the peristalsyic prospect of "President Hillary" or "President Gore" with no true conservative third party vote would be enough to keep them also in the 2004 column.
So they have taken the risk.
This is Karl Rove and others thinking and Bush carrying it out with full knowledge and forethought. Don't let anyone tell you that this is not happening. The real victim is the Republican who supported Bush and wants to support him again. It is very sad, pathetic and irritating to, as an American who believes in the rule of law and national security, be essentially taken for granted and treated in this rather shoddy way.
IMMIGRATIONWe hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.
We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new "Berlin Wall" which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government's policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.
Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference.
We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.
"Our" government treats us like shit. When we are innocently caught up in IRS snafus - like my elderly native-born American mother was - it threatens us with criminal prosecution for "back taxes" it later admitted she never owed.
No wonder Jorge Bush is almost as widely disrespected among social conservatives as among liberals.
Congress is hearing from the public, and our president is urging Congress to hurry and pass 245i though the public is outraged.
What is the real reason for passage of 245i when the public is clearly against it? Why would our elected officials run against the will of the people on an issue like this?
With the passage of 245i, and if Bush gets all that he wants, he promises the free flow of goods and serivces, and people. Do we really want the free flow of people over our borders?
Yes, I can see that. Good point.
An excellent point that is censored by the media. And in this real war which is being waged on our soil, Jorge Bush makes Neville Chamberlain look tough by comparision. I have my doubts that America will still be soveregnity by the end of his term.
I'd love to be in Congress right now. I wouldn't be one of these calm, going-to-get along types. I would try to talk common sense into the do-dos. I would explain to them the ramifications of their actions, trends that are occuring now, along with history, and would indicate what the end result will be of said policy.
I don't think that there's much common sense left in the U.S. Government. It's apparent that they do not care for the rule of law, nor do they understand the concept of illegal, non-assimilation, taxation without representation, fraud, etc.
Guys, I'm serious. I'd love to run for office. I feel that it's my duty to fight for what is right, and for what is left of America. I'm serious. I want to run for public office. In fact, many Freepers need to run for public office. We need to have a network across the nation in which we have candidates running in every needed House and Senate District. I'm serious. Why do we not do this?
LOL. If Bush were a doctor he would tell a patient with a malignant tumor that no treatment was necessary. That it is a beautiful tumor that needed time to grow and harmonize with the rest of the body. Quack, Quack.
We Southerners are a very united group, and we are PO'ed to the max with what GW is doing. Hes done fine on the war issue, and dealing with all of thiat, but now he's selling off our borders, language and culture. These issues are of great concern to Southerners. We love our culture, and language, and we sure as Hell do not want our southern border to be essentially erased. Who will deny that millions upon millions of latin americans will attempt to move here should the New World Order crowd get their way, and establish a EU styled borderless America's?
Remember the agenda of the New World Order:
1. Enact a Free Trade Agreement.
2. Push for increased trade between memeber countries.
3. Now that trade has expanded, begin talks that will allow the free flow of people over borders-(this is where we are today).
4. Now that trade and the free flow of people over erased borders has begun, start talks about a common currency between member countries, and attempt to expand the entire concept to more nearby countries until the continent is fully included.
5. With free trade, and the free flow of people using a common currency, there is little need for multiple governments. Begin talks on centralization of power under one main government.
6. Adopt a new continental flag that gives no emphasis to the old concept of countries, but shows inspires unity. One flag, one people.
7. Europe was first, now the America's are united under one flag and one government using a single currency, it is time to welcome into the fold the Asian countries who will deny their sovereignty, and welcome continental unification.
8. With all three major continents aligned, the greatest goal can now be achieved. World unity is the ultimate goal. The final chapter in The Plan: total unification under a global system of government, a global flag, and a single global currency. These are now within reach.
"Stepping into the light doesn't appear to be a viable option for them."
Sad, isn't it?
I'm not so sure that is the case. The Bush-Bots were making a big deal the other day with a poll that showed that among registered voters, 53% of those polled said they would vote for him today with the rest either saying they would vote for someone else or were undecided. What were they all excited about? It was that Bush's % moved up 2% in the last month. What they didn't want to talk about is that Bush's support is down a net 2% from year-end and 53% is hardly a comfortable lead, especially when Bush benefits from the rally around the flag effect in this war on terrorism.
I think Bush has already lost considerable support from his conservative base from his insane Amnesty/Open Borders policies and his signal that we will sign CFR (among other sellouts). If Bush had widespread conservative support he would be running near 60% given the war. And as Bush exacerbates the illegal immigration crisis in America, more and more conservatives will leave his camp. Moreover, he will lose substantially more support across the board if his lax immigration policies are directly attributable to more terrorist attacks. What scares me is that I have to believe that he knows this.
There is a reason I said the word "risk" when describing the actions of Bush's domestic political advisory staff in the West Wing and Old Executive Office Building.
That is because, they are succeeding in getting their boss painted as a big OPEN BORDERS guy, for transitional amnesty under the cloak of regularization, and also for continuing with a terribly incompetent INS.
The risk backfires in their face when between now and reelection in three years (or midterm elections) a truck bomb or suitcasenuke gets set off in some metropolitan area, and the whole nation goes back to it's angry vigilence regarding nonsensical open borders which they had on Sept. 12th (which they have since gradually eroded, or at least Fox and Bush and State Dept. perceive this erosion).
With the prospect of hundreds or thousands more bodies of Americans laying in the street, Mr. Bush is gonna have some 'splainin to do over his INS and his border policy during what we already knew to be a Time of War.
And all it may take is for an electrifying conservative GOP leader or independent to go after him and electrify a national backlash as punishment against these sordid and naive immigration policies which contradict homeland security.
Lord knows the President's inner cirlce of those who think they are saavy would risk the Presidency and national security all in the effort to chase the Hispanic golden pot at the end of the vote rainbow, which will probably yield them a rather low net increase anyway at the end of the day.