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The 1930s, Again: A hard rain is going to fall.
National Review ^ | March 25, 2002 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 03/25/2002 7:59:07 AM PST by aculeus

In some ways in our war against the terrorists we are like the democracies of the late 1930s. They knew that there was more to Hitler than his avowed quest for the return of the Sudetenland or the Alsace-Lorraine. They sort of suspected that an entire, venerable culture in Germany and Japan had gone off the deep end. And while there was a certain logic to Hitler's diatribes that a moralistic England had no more right to distant India than did Germany to nearby Danzig, most deep-down knew that such parlor-game banter simply masked a much larger dilemma — how to corral a very powerful dictatorship and its axis that wished dominance not coexistence, and whose fuel was brutal force and autocracy, not democracy and freedom.

For England, most of Western Europe, and the United States, reeling under recent economic depression and hardly recovered from the sheer horror of the First World War — carnage unlike any in the long history of warfare — the idea of forceful resistance was little short of insanity. Filmstrips of German Panzers, thousands of Japanese shouting "Banzai!," and even Mussolini's comically delivered, but hateful rants overwhelmed the senses.

How could one stop such madness? And might it just go away with proper diplomacy? And why did "militarists" in the West insist on rearming and thereby "provoking" war? And was not there some truth to German grievances and Japanese hurts? And did anyone really wish to risk millions of innocent Americans and British to kill equally innocent, although perhaps mesmerized, Germans? Who was stirring up such animosity?

We are in a similar dilemma — in our hesitation about Iraq, our pressure on Israel, and our worries about mission creep in pursuing the killers. Can't the Jews and Arabs just get along? If Israel would just give back all of the West Bank, wouldn't there be peace? Didn't we just fight in the Gulf a mere decade ago? How do we know that Saddam Hussein really has such dreadful weapons? Shouldn't our allies get involved too? Do these undemocratic Muslim countries really dislike us all that much? Who can trust polls anyway? Why are these saber-rattlers trying to get us into a war?

And so we Americans, like those 70 years ago who so wanted a perpetual peace, pray for a return of sanity in the Middle East. We chose to ignore horrific stories of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia — the embryo of 9/11. We are more amused than shocked that madrassas have taught a generation to hate us. When mullahs in Iran speak of destroying Israel we wince, but also shrug. We want to see no real connection between madmen blowing themselves up to kill us in New York and the like-minded doing the same in Tel-Aviv. We put our trust in peace with a killer like Mr. Arafat, who packs a gun and whips up volatile crowds in Arabic. All the while, no American statesman has the guts to tell the Arab leadership that statism, tribalism, fundamentalism, gender apartheid, and autocracy — not America, not Israel — make their people poor, angry, and dangerous.

Rather than preparing for what our enemies are preparing for us, we look to gestures of appeasement. Does not the Islamic world appreciate the presence of General Zinni? Do we not give billions to Arab countries? Did we not save Kuwait and Muslims throughout the globe? Who in the Arab world could really think that the murderous Taliban were preferable to the present more enlightened government in Afghanistan? And although Middle Eastern males blew up our planes, people, and monuments, have we not had a national discussion about the evils of profiling those from the Middle East in our airports and stations? Don't Muslims tell their kindred back home how much freer they are in America than in Iraq or Syria?

Like the dashed hopes of the 1930s such faith is not only misplaced, but also dangerous. The efforts of countries like Iraq to acquire nuclear weapons might under the present pressures grow dormant, but they will not cease. A nuclear Pakistan is a tottering military dictatorship away from Armageddon. Bribed autocracies in Jordan and Egypt are allies only in the sense that their unelected leaders promise to jail their nuts and fundamentalists who otherwise might turn on them as well as on us. Polls everywhere in the Middle East reveal not mere anguish, but real enmity toward Americans. Public pronouncements in Iran are not any less hateful than what emanated from Berlin in 1936. Thousands of al Qaeda killers have escaped — and thousands more are angry over the death of the comrades and kin and planning carnage for us as we sleep.

Only a few of us Americans really take the Islamic world at its word — that one in three is reported to think (representing, say, a small number of around 200 million?) that the murder of 3,000 Americans was justified; that two of three believed no Arabs were involved; and that even higher poll numbers reflected real antipathy for the West.

After 30 years of listening to nauseating chanting from Teheran to Islamabad to Nablus, hearing the childish rants about "The Mother of All Battles" and "The Great Satan," and witnessing presidents from Carter to Bush burned in effigy, the ritual torching of the American flag, the misspelled banners of hatred, the thousands of paint-by-the-numbers posters of psychopaths from Khomeini to bin Laden, televised threats that sound as hideous as they are empty, Nazi-inspired anti-Semitism, embassy takeovers, oil-boycotts, hijacked planes, cars, and ships, lectures from unelected obese sheiks with long names and gold chains, peacekeepers incinerated in their sleep, murders at the Olympics, bodies dumped on the tarmac of airports, shredded diplomats, madmen in sunglasses in Iraq, Syria, and Libya, demented mullahs and whip-bearing imams in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, continual televised murders of Americans abroad, our towers toppled, our citizens butchered, our planes blown up, hooded Klansmen in Hamas and Hezbollah, killers of al-this and Islamic-that, suicide bombers, shrill turbaned nuts spouting hatred on C-SPAN broadcasts, one day the salvation of Kuwait, the next sanctions against the swallower of Kuwait, the third day fury against the sanctions against the swallower of Kuwait, the fourth day some grievance from 1953, the fifth another from A.D. 752; and all the time sanctimonious fingerpointing from Middle Eastern academics and journalists who are as bold abroad in insulting us as they are timid and obsequious under dictators at home in keeping silent, I've about had it. No mas. The problem is you, not us — you, you, you….

I don't listen any more to the apologies and prevarications of our whiney university Arabists, our equivocators in the state department, and the really tawdry assortment of oil men, D.C. insiders, bought and paid for PR suits, and weapons hucksters. The truth is that a large minority of the Middle Eastern world wishes a war with America that it cannot win — and much of the rest is apparently either indifferent or amused.

So we should stop apologizing, prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and accept this animosity — just as our forefathers once did when faced by similar autocrats and their captive peoples who threatened us in 1941. I don't know about the rest of America, but I am proud that thugs like Khaddafi, murderers like Saddam Hussein, inquisitionists like the mullahs in Iran, criminals in Syria, medieval sheiks in the Gulf, and millions of others who do not vote, do not speak freely, oppress women, and are not tolerant of religious, gender, or ethnic diversity don't like me for being an American. I would find it repugnant if they did.

No, their hatred is a badge of honor, and I would have it no other way. I am tired of the appeasers of the Middle East on our Right who fawn for oil and trade, and those pacifists and multiculturalists on the Left who either do not know, or do not like, what America really is. I'd rather think of all the innocent dead on 9/ 11 than give a moment more of attention to Mr. Arafat and his bombers.

The truth is that there is a great storm on the horizon, one that will pass — or bring upon us a hard rain the likes of which we have not seen in 60 years. Either we shall say "no more," deal with Iraq, and prepare for a long and hard war against murderers and terrorists — or we will have more and more of what happened on 9/11. History teaches us that certain nations, certain peoples, and certain religions at peculiar periods in their history take a momentary, but deadly leave of their senses — Napoleon's France for most of a decade, the southern states in 1861, Japan in 1931, Germany in 1939, and Russia after World War II. And when they do, they cannot be bribed, apologized to, or sweet-talked — only defeated.

In that context, we see much of a whipped-up Arab world entering this similar period of dangerous unreality. The problem is them and their unelected and unfree regimes, not us — just as it was Hitler, not us; Tojo, not us; Mussolini, not us; and Stalin, not us — just as it always is when unelected maniacs take control and hijack an entire country and culture. We can either step up and stop Islamic fundamentalism, Arab terrorists, and Middle Eastern dictators or we can step back and watch it all continue to grow. If 9/11 was the beginning of a war, then we should remember that wars usually end when one, not both sides, win.


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KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizatio; geopolitics; hitler; iraq; islamicviolence; patriotlist; terrorism; zionist
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Chilling ... but accurate.
1 posted on 03/25/2002 7:59:07 AM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus
Bump
2 posted on 03/25/2002 8:02:27 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: aculeus
We have an awful lot of Neville Chamberlains residing inside the beltway.
3 posted on 03/25/2002 8:09:04 AM PST by cynicom
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To: aculeus
Yes! Yes! Let's win this war! What are my marching orders?
4 posted on 03/25/2002 8:10:36 AM PST by kapn kuek
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To: aculeus; Orual; BlueLancer
"After 30 years of listening to nauseating chanting from Teheran to Islamabad to Nablus, hearing the childish rants about "The Mother of All Battles" and "The Great Satan," and witnessing presidents from Carter to Bush burned in effigy, the ritual torching of the American flag, the misspelled banners of hatred, the thousands of paint-by-the-numbers posters of psychopaths from Khomeini to bin Laden, televised threats that sound as hideous as they are empty, Nazi-inspired anti-Semitism, embassy takeovers, oil-boycotts, hijacked planes, cars, and ships, lectures from unelected obese sheiks with long names and gold chains, peacekeepers incinerated in their sleep, murders at the Olympics, bodies dumped on the tarmac of airports, shredded diplomats, madmen in sunglasses in Iraq, Syria, and Libya, demented mullahs and whip-bearing imams in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, continual televised murders of Americans abroad, our towers toppled, our citizens butchered, our planes blown up, hooded Klansmen in Hamas and Hezbollah, killers of al-this and Islamic-that, suicide bombers, shrill turbaned nuts spouting hatred on C-SPAN broadcasts, one day the salvation of Kuwait, the next sanctions against the swallower of Kuwait, the third day fury against the sanctions against the swallower of Kuwait, the fourth day some grievance from 1953, the fifth another from A.D. 752; and all the time sanctimonious fingerpointing from Middle Eastern academics and journalists who are as bold abroad in insulting us as they are timid and obsequious under dictators at home in keeping silent, I've about had it. No mas. The problem is you, not us — you, you, you…. "

5 posted on 03/25/2002 8:10:58 AM PST by dighton
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To: aculeus
bump
6 posted on 03/25/2002 8:14:55 AM PST by Centurion2000
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To: aculeus
Wow. Columns like these almost make me sorry I brought children into this world!
7 posted on 03/25/2002 8:15:32 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: dighton; aculeus
He got it all right in one paragraph. Very powerful.
8 posted on 03/25/2002 8:19:17 AM PST by Orual
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To: aculeus
Bump for the elephant in the parlor.
9 posted on 03/25/2002 8:25:50 AM PST by Mike Darancette
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To: aculeus
1000% agreement BUMP.
10 posted on 03/25/2002 8:32:12 AM PST by mercy
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To: aculeus
Now, imagine the 1930s with a few additional twists. Imagine the new "Hitler" (Saddam) backed by a great power (Russia) (some say this actually occured in the 30s as well!....). Imagine another country above and beyond Iraq playing the role of Germany, but headed by a Communist - corporatist oligarchy, and in some ways more substantial than Nazi Germany (none other than the PRC!). Imagine that this oligarchic neo-Germany is funding and arming a number of anti-Jewish and / or anti-Western nations (Pakistan, Iran, Myanmar, Laos, Zimbabwe, S. Africa, Venezuela, Cuba). And imagine that the oligarchic neo-Germany are themselves aided by Russia, including a promise to provide ICBM "cover" in case of hostilities with the West.

The 1930s - early 1940s were only the dry run! This is the real McCoy!

11 posted on 03/25/2002 8:33:58 AM PST by GOP_1900AD
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To: aculeus
One of the most improtant pieces written lately and not at all subject to smartass one line reply posts. Probably make it to 35 posts or so.
12 posted on 03/25/2002 8:35:14 AM PST by mercy
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To: aculeus
Talkin' 'bout a Jihad, Bump.
13 posted on 03/25/2002 8:35:20 AM PST by DoctorMichael
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To: mercy
This column is exactly why no matter what happens on CFR, we have to keep our eye on the ball. This is why it is tough for most Americans to get worked up about a bill that they simply don't understand or care about, and certainly don't understand the Constitutional implications. But 9/11, they get.
14 posted on 03/25/2002 8:53:52 AM PST by LS
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To: mercy
I read this this morning and tried optimistically to think how he could be wrong. I don't think so though.

The truly maddening thing is so many people who are in a position to form opinion just chatter on mindlessly, making little swipes at the US-coalition war effort, and staring goggle-eyed at the Saudi peace plan as if it contained some startling, daring new proposal. The rot started back in the early 1970's when the UN welcomed Arafat as a legitimate leader.

15 posted on 03/25/2002 8:56:59 AM PST by anatolfz
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To: aculeus
No wonder the domesctic agenda's running a little slower and off-kilter. Bush has a tall order ahead of him, IMHO. We need to make sure he doesn't have to deal with sniping from the Senate.
16 posted on 03/25/2002 9:00:22 AM PST by hchutch
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To: LS; Congressman Billybob; RAT Patrol; CedarDave; Miss Marple; Sabertooth
Agreed. Pinging elsewhere.

Bush knows how to delegate jobs to people who can get them done. And he has done so on CFR and elsewhere of late. Time to make sure he isn't let down by Spineless Trent Lott, and to make sure we get the Senate back, and increase our margin in the House.

17 posted on 03/25/2002 9:03:18 AM PST by hchutch
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To: Flamefront, Askel5, AGAviator
BUmp!
18 posted on 03/25/2002 9:06:48 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: aculeus
History teaches us that certain nations, certain peoples, and certain religions at peculiar periods in their history take a momentary, but deadly leave of their senses — Napoleon's France for most of a decade, the southern states in 1861, Japan in 1931, Germany in 1939, and Russia after World War II. And when they do, they cannot be bribed, apologized to, or sweet-talked — only defeated.

So who's going to defeat VD?

19 posted on 03/25/2002 9:11:00 AM PST by x
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To: aculeus
Victor Davis Hanson Bump
20 posted on 03/25/2002 9:18:33 AM PST by happygrl
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To: aculeus
Yep. This is just the beginning. The last dust-up with totalitarianism cost fifty million lives. Don't assume victory will be any cheaper this time around.
22 posted on 03/25/2002 9:23:22 AM PST by The Great Satan
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To: aculeus
A stunning piece. Reminiscent of Cato during the Punic Wars or Churchill during the 1930's.
23 posted on 03/25/2002 9:25:32 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: belmont_mark
Now, imagine the 1930s with a few additional twists. Imagine the new "Hitler" (Saddam) backed by a great power (Russia).

The good news is that Russia is now solidly on our side. They didn't even blink when the nuclear contingency plan was leaked by some American left winger.

25 posted on 03/25/2002 9:31:18 AM PST by aculeus
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To: Pinlighter
I think Russia's position in the next war will be similar to their position in the previous one.

Start on one side, end on the other.

If I had to guess, they will start being Islam friendly, but end up on the side of the West.

26 posted on 03/25/2002 9:31:46 AM PST by Crusher138
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To: aculeus
Wow, GREAT read. The litany of Islamic evils near the middle of this column is a great antidote to the "Islam is peace" horsesh*t being peddled on the airwaves these days. Now if we could just get talk this straight out of our "leaders"... but they're too busy eviscerating the Constitution and reading poll numbers.
27 posted on 03/25/2002 9:38:47 AM PST by Jonathon Spectre
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To: anatolfz
Well, take solace in the knowledge that that's exactly the way the United States was in 1940, or Britain in 1938. Sadly for us, it took an attack to wake us up, and even so, that was just against Japan; Hilter actually declared war on us 3 days after we declared war on Japan.

Most Americans polled in the time frame 1939-1941 opposed us going to war with the dictators, and the Selective Service act in 1941 passed by ONE vote.

I thought 9/11 was our wake up call, but we're still sleeping. I do think that, once finally aroused, we will kick tail. I hope.

28 posted on 03/25/2002 9:52:34 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: aculeus
I am tired of the appeasers of the Middle East on our Right who fawn for oil and trade, and those pacifists and multiculturalists on the Left who either do not know, or do not like, what America really is. I'd rather think of all the innocent dead on 9/ 11 than give a moment more of attention to Mr. Arafat and his bombers.

Yes, I'm more than tired of these people. One the one hand there are those who would seek to profit from trade with those who are clearl your enemies. They think that the rules of cause and effect, of consequences - unintended and otherwise - simply don't apply to them, and that their money and influence can shield them from the outcomes of their choices. There are those who hate this country and everything it used to stand for. They hate and despise the very concept of freedom and free will. They're the ones who silently cheered on 09/11 and made smug pronouncements that we obviously deserved what we got.

Yes, I'm more than tired of these traitors to humanity. The cold hard truth is that giventhe current state of decay of the balance of powers that once held them in check, we're simply not going to be able to vote or debate our way out of what's coming our way this time around. Who's got the courage and intellectual honesty to think this though and call the road we're travelling and its ultimate destination by their proper names?

The truth is that there is a great storm on the horizon, one that will pass — or bring upon us a hard rain the likes of which we have not seen in 60 years. Either we shall say "no more," deal with Iraq, and prepare for a long and hard war against murderers and terrorists — or we will have more and more of what happened on 9/11. History teaches us that certain nations, certain peoples, and certain religions at peculiar periods in their history take a momentary, but deadly leave of their senses...

Recall the words of Norman Cohn, author of Warrant for Genocide:

"There exists a subterranean world, where pathological fantasies disguised as ideas are churned out by crooks and half-educated fanatics for the benefit of the ignorant and superstitious. There are times when that under-world emerges from the depths and suddenly fascinates, captures, and dominates multitudes of usually sane and responsible people. And it occasionally happens that this subterranean world becomes a political power and changes the course of history."

Yes, there is indeed a storm on the way - a terrible one, if we read the signs with an unflinching understanding of history and human nature. That persistent knocking on our front doros is that of history telling us that everything, literally everything can change in a heartbeat. From the transformation of beautiful Sarajevo to a flame-shot hell of ruin and slaughter to the collapse of the old Soviet Empire, from the democide of the Khmer Rouge regime to the cultural genocide of the Taliban and the true believers of Islam, from the murderous midnight raids of BATF and FBI jack-booted killers to the impact of the airliners on the Pentagon and the WTC - genocide, murder, the destruction of your life and your family and your home and livelihood is just a matter of whim and caprice.

Now think about what it might take to turn this around - makes a mockery of what you see on the lamestream media outlets, doesn't it? Makes a mockery of what you hear coming from the mouths of our so-called 'leaders', doesn't it?

What it should make you realize is that, in the end, it all comes down to you and your willingness to fight for what you hold dear.

Don't look to your politicians for help. They're not listening and they don't care.

Don't look to the churches - they're nothing more than the dwelling place for the clergy of oppression, and demons dance on their empty altars.

Don't look to the schools and he institutes of higher learning - they've become founts of ignorance, lies and hatred of the truth, and they teach sheepery and passivity to our children.

All that's left is you...

29 posted on 03/25/2002 9:59:39 AM PST by Noumenon
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To: aculeus
All the while, no American statesman has the guts to tell the Arab leadership that statism, tribalism, fundamentalism, gender apartheid, and autocracy — not America, not Israel — make their people poor, angry, and dangerous.

Such a good article! The Arabic countries have only themselves to blame for living in the 14th century. Or is it the 12th?

30 posted on 03/25/2002 10:05:21 AM PST by PoisedWoman
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To: Orual;aculeus;dighton
One run on sentence. One two-word sentence and
"The problem is you, not us --- you, you, you ..."

and another right on sentence...
"History teaches us that certain nations, certain peoples, and certain religions at peculiar periods in their history take a momentary, but deadly leave of their senses — Napoleon's France for most of a decade, the southern states in 1861, Japan in 1931, Germany in 1939, and Russia after World War II. And when they do, they cannot be bribed, apologized to, or sweet-talked — only defeated.

emphasis mine.

31 posted on 03/25/2002 10:13:08 AM PST by Countyline
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To: Pinlighter
That is only rhetoric, not actions.

Actions:

1. Cheating since 1989 on all "arms control" agreements by Russia.

2. Overt aid to Iraq, Iran and the PRC. The latter constitutes strategic arms aid among other key items.

3. The 7/16/2001 treaty with the PRC, now ratified in the Duma. The treaty explicitly states that should the US come into conflict with the PRC over Taiwan, Russian strategic capabilities and Naval forces would be brought to bear against the US.

Inasmuch as the PRC have overtly aided the Axis of Evil, this, by extension, implies that Russia are aiding the Axis of Evil, and, have now joined an overall axis, defined as early as 1993 by Bodansky, named "The Trans-Asian Axis". I am 100% confident that geopolitical events will show me to be correct.

I will believe that "Russia is on our side" when I see them make a bold break with their Trans-Asian Axis connections and replace these with connections with the West, and, compliance with arms control agreements.

32 posted on 03/25/2002 10:25:37 AM PST by GOP_1900AD
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To: aculeus; hellinahandcart; Pistias; Jeff Head
... straight shooting from the hip article
33 posted on 03/25/2002 10:28:17 AM PST by Countyline
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To: aculeus
Not so fast. See my reply to 24. The proof is in the pudding.
34 posted on 03/25/2002 10:29:40 AM PST by GOP_1900AD
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To: aculeus
I am proud that thugs like Khaddafi, murderers like Saddam Hussein, inquisitionists like the mullahs in Iran, criminals in Syria, medieval sheiks in the Gulf, and millions of others who do not vote, do not speak freely, oppress women, and are not tolerant of religious, gender, or ethnic diversity don't like me for being an American. I would find it repugnant if they did.

Priceless.

35 posted on 03/25/2002 10:42:39 AM PST by L,TOWM
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To: Reagan Man
Check this one out!
36 posted on 03/25/2002 10:45:13 AM PST by sinclair
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To: aculeus
All the while, no American statesman has the guts to tell the Arab leadership that statism, tribalism, fundamentalism, gender apartheid, and autocracy — not America, not Israel — make their people poor, angry, and dangerous

So Arabs want to destroy us because they are have-nots and we are haves?

37 posted on 03/25/2002 10:49:21 AM PST by Pistias
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To: Noumenon
Don't look to the churches - they're nothing more than the dwelling place for the clergy of oppression, and demons dance on their empty altars.

Rhetoric, or do you believe?

Don't look to the schools and he institutes of higher learning

Bastions remain...

All that's left is you...

Not a one of us can make it alone. We need each other, and not just for strength in numbers.

38 posted on 03/25/2002 10:56:17 AM PST by Pistias
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To: aculeus
The truth is that there is a great storm on the horizon,...

History teaches us that certain nations, certain peoples, and certain religions at peculiar periods in their history take a momentary, but deadly leave of their senses...

...And when they do, they cannot be bribed, apologized to, or sweet-talked — only defeated.

In that context, we see much of a whipped-up Arab world entering this similar period of dangerous unreality. The problem is them and their unelected and unfree regimes, not us — just as it was Hitler, not us; Tojo, not us; Mussolini, not us; and Stalin, not us — just as it always is when unelected maniacs take control and hijack an entire country and culture. We can either step up and stop Islamic fundamentalism, Arab terrorists, and Middle Eastern dictators or we can step back and watch it all continue to grow. If 9/11 was the beginning of a war, then we should remember that wars usually end when one, not both sides, win.

We have a chance to knock off the worst bad guys, one by one. If we fail, a large number of countries will unite against us. The foe hopes the list of enemies will include all of Islam.

It is already raining. If we are lucky, weapons of mass destruction will not be used against us and we will only get damp.

If the Arabs, (or worse, all of Islam) unite, weapons of mass destruction will be used against us. A very hard rain will then fall.

As this excellent article says, such a war will only end when one side or the other has been defeated.

39 posted on 03/25/2002 10:56:26 AM PST by EternalHope
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To: Countyline
Thanks for the ping.
40 posted on 03/25/2002 10:57:24 AM PST by Pistias
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To: aculeus; Alas Babylon!, President Bush, Noumenon
I thought 9/11 was our wake up call, but we're still sleeping. I do think that, once finally aroused, we will kick tail. I hope.

I, too, thought that we would have awakened as we did after Pearl Harbor. For all of the comparisons with that event evoked by the presstitutes and publicity-seeking politicos regarding 9/11, we remain asleep. I thought (naively so, as it turns out) that FINALLY the American people had finally realized what kind of a place the world was, and that we'd finally clean out the SOBs that make this world miserable. So, where was the declaration of war? Where was/is the mobilization of resources to fight the billion (or 2 or 3) that hate us for being free and prosperous? We are STILL ASLEEP - what will it take to reawaken the sleeping giant and to fill him with a terrible resolve, the atomization of several cities?

Rather than preparing for what our enemies are preparing for us, we look to gestures of appeasement. Does not the Islamic world appreciate the presence of General Zinni? Do we not give billions to Arab countries? Did we not save Kuwait and Muslims throughout the globe? Who in the Arab world could really think that the murderous Taliban were preferable to the present more enlightened government in Afghanistan? And although Middle Eastern males blew up our planes, people, and monuments, have we not had a national discussion about the evils of profiling those from the Middle East in our airports and stations? Don't Muslims tell their kindred back home how much freer they are in America than in Iraq or Syria?

Don't get me wrong - Bush has done a decent job of smashing the Taliban and putting Al-Queda back into the caves, but this isn't enough. Neither (esp. the latter) would present any kind of real threat to civilization without the support of nations like Iraq, Iran, China, Syria, Libya, not to mention Saudi Arabia (well, OK, I will mention them),our supposed ally. However, he has failed like his father did to really tell us why we have to go to war, and to be successful like in WW2, or else we will cease to exist. Churchill he ain't, but at least he could try a bit harder. He is much like Reagan in many ways, but the Gipper was head and shoulders above him in explaining why we had to struggle against the Evil Empire.

President Bush: the Axis of Evil is out there, but it is far greater in scope and resources than the 3 thuggocracies you mentioned. You must know this, but you'll never be truly successful in the War on Terrorism until you truly explain our situation to the mass of the American public that doesn't know better (or doesn't want to know better). This is a war for our survival - we must begin to act like it, soon, or we will suffer grievous losses in the future and possibly lose. We must take the initiative and destroy the various terrorist regimes ASAP, before they have an opportunity to acquire and develop effective WMD arsenals. We'll need very large and well-equipped armed forces to accomplish this, along with near limitless ammunition. Currently we have neither. Tell the voters and taxpayers the dimensions of the problem, and we'll support nearly any measure necessary to prevail.

41 posted on 03/25/2002 11:02:43 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: aculeus
...I am proud that thugs like Khaddafi, murderers like Saddam Hussein, inquisitionists like the mullahs in Iran, criminals in Syria, medieval sheiks in the Gulf, and millions of others who do not vote, do not speak freely, oppress women, and are not tolerant of religious, gender, or ethnic diversity don't like me for being an American. I would find it repugnant if they did.

Big Bump.

42 posted on 03/25/2002 11:02:54 AM PST by js1138
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To: Trust but Verify
Your children will inherit a better world, as all of us from WWII did.
43 posted on 03/25/2002 11:08:22 AM PST by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: aculeus
The 30's were different in that Americans were Americans.

And those that were not citizens desired to be so. And became assimillated in this culture.
Today, one wonders where and why many dont.

There some 'Americans' and many aliens whose allegience lies with another nation, not this one...What are their motives? Why don't they go back? They know who they are.

44 posted on 03/25/2002 11:11:43 AM PST by prognostigaator
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To: x
"So who's going to defeat VD?

LOL!

Another Clinton failure...

45 posted on 03/25/2002 11:15:32 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: aculeus
Excellent article!
46 posted on 03/25/2002 11:19:42 AM PST by Gritty
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To: sinclair
I read this earlier. Good article. Thanks.

The problem is you, not us — you, you, you….

So true, so true, so true!

47 posted on 03/25/2002 11:23:28 AM PST by Reagan Man
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To: aculeus
This is no more than our elected leadership shirking their responsibility under the Constitution, until it's too late, and they are forced to put the cream of our young people into harms way. Many of today's problems could have been diminished had our procrastinating leadership just had the courage to stand up for principles instead of politics.

We reap what we sow.

48 posted on 03/25/2002 11:25:59 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: aculeus
Methinks Bush is well aware of this reality. He has weapons and planes and ships to build before it's too late.

I received an email (can't verify the truth of it) where Bush boldly asked a Christian who was greeting him, "Please pray for a protective shield over our country!"

Let's all do that.

49 posted on 03/25/2002 11:34:35 AM PST by Humidston
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To: *Clash of Civilizatio; *Geopolitics
Some bump lists.

Read and heed. Life and the threats are more complicated a la the 1930's

50 posted on 03/25/2002 11:39:35 AM PST by madison46
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