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The 1930s, Again: A hard rain is going to fall.
National Review ^ | March 25, 2002 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 03/25/2002 7:59:07 AM PST by aculeus

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To: aculeus
Yep. This is just the beginning. The last dust-up with totalitarianism cost fifty million lives. Don't assume victory will be any cheaper this time around.
22 posted on 03/25/2002 9:23:22 AM PST by The Great Satan
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To: aculeus
A stunning piece. Reminiscent of Cato during the Punic Wars or Churchill during the 1930's.
23 posted on 03/25/2002 9:25:32 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: belmont_mark
Now, imagine the 1930s with a few additional twists. Imagine the new "Hitler" (Saddam) backed by a great power (Russia).

The good news is that Russia is now solidly on our side. They didn't even blink when the nuclear contingency plan was leaked by some American left winger.

25 posted on 03/25/2002 9:31:18 AM PST by aculeus
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To: Pinlighter
I think Russia's position in the next war will be similar to their position in the previous one.

Start on one side, end on the other.

If I had to guess, they will start being Islam friendly, but end up on the side of the West.

26 posted on 03/25/2002 9:31:46 AM PST by Crusher138
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To: aculeus
Wow, GREAT read. The litany of Islamic evils near the middle of this column is a great antidote to the "Islam is peace" horsesh*t being peddled on the airwaves these days. Now if we could just get talk this straight out of our "leaders"... but they're too busy eviscerating the Constitution and reading poll numbers.
27 posted on 03/25/2002 9:38:47 AM PST by Jonathon Spectre
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To: anatolfz
Well, take solace in the knowledge that that's exactly the way the United States was in 1940, or Britain in 1938. Sadly for us, it took an attack to wake us up, and even so, that was just against Japan; Hilter actually declared war on us 3 days after we declared war on Japan.

Most Americans polled in the time frame 1939-1941 opposed us going to war with the dictators, and the Selective Service act in 1941 passed by ONE vote.

I thought 9/11 was our wake up call, but we're still sleeping. I do think that, once finally aroused, we will kick tail. I hope.

28 posted on 03/25/2002 9:52:34 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: aculeus
I am tired of the appeasers of the Middle East on our Right who fawn for oil and trade, and those pacifists and multiculturalists on the Left who either do not know, or do not like, what America really is. I'd rather think of all the innocent dead on 9/ 11 than give a moment more of attention to Mr. Arafat and his bombers.

Yes, I'm more than tired of these people. One the one hand there are those who would seek to profit from trade with those who are clearl your enemies. They think that the rules of cause and effect, of consequences - unintended and otherwise - simply don't apply to them, and that their money and influence can shield them from the outcomes of their choices. There are those who hate this country and everything it used to stand for. They hate and despise the very concept of freedom and free will. They're the ones who silently cheered on 09/11 and made smug pronouncements that we obviously deserved what we got.

Yes, I'm more than tired of these traitors to humanity. The cold hard truth is that giventhe current state of decay of the balance of powers that once held them in check, we're simply not going to be able to vote or debate our way out of what's coming our way this time around. Who's got the courage and intellectual honesty to think this though and call the road we're travelling and its ultimate destination by their proper names?

The truth is that there is a great storm on the horizon, one that will pass — or bring upon us a hard rain the likes of which we have not seen in 60 years. Either we shall say "no more," deal with Iraq, and prepare for a long and hard war against murderers and terrorists — or we will have more and more of what happened on 9/11. History teaches us that certain nations, certain peoples, and certain religions at peculiar periods in their history take a momentary, but deadly leave of their senses...

Recall the words of Norman Cohn, author of Warrant for Genocide:

"There exists a subterranean world, where pathological fantasies disguised as ideas are churned out by crooks and half-educated fanatics for the benefit of the ignorant and superstitious. There are times when that under-world emerges from the depths and suddenly fascinates, captures, and dominates multitudes of usually sane and responsible people. And it occasionally happens that this subterranean world becomes a political power and changes the course of history."

Yes, there is indeed a storm on the way - a terrible one, if we read the signs with an unflinching understanding of history and human nature. That persistent knocking on our front doros is that of history telling us that everything, literally everything can change in a heartbeat. From the transformation of beautiful Sarajevo to a flame-shot hell of ruin and slaughter to the collapse of the old Soviet Empire, from the democide of the Khmer Rouge regime to the cultural genocide of the Taliban and the true believers of Islam, from the murderous midnight raids of BATF and FBI jack-booted killers to the impact of the airliners on the Pentagon and the WTC - genocide, murder, the destruction of your life and your family and your home and livelihood is just a matter of whim and caprice.

Now think about what it might take to turn this around - makes a mockery of what you see on the lamestream media outlets, doesn't it? Makes a mockery of what you hear coming from the mouths of our so-called 'leaders', doesn't it?

What it should make you realize is that, in the end, it all comes down to you and your willingness to fight for what you hold dear.

Don't look to your politicians for help. They're not listening and they don't care.

Don't look to the churches - they're nothing more than the dwelling place for the clergy of oppression, and demons dance on their empty altars.

Don't look to the schools and he institutes of higher learning - they've become founts of ignorance, lies and hatred of the truth, and they teach sheepery and passivity to our children.

All that's left is you...

29 posted on 03/25/2002 9:59:39 AM PST by Noumenon
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To: aculeus
All the while, no American statesman has the guts to tell the Arab leadership that statism, tribalism, fundamentalism, gender apartheid, and autocracy — not America, not Israel — make their people poor, angry, and dangerous.

Such a good article! The Arabic countries have only themselves to blame for living in the 14th century. Or is it the 12th?

30 posted on 03/25/2002 10:05:21 AM PST by PoisedWoman
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To: Orual;aculeus;dighton
One run on sentence. One two-word sentence and
"The problem is you, not us --- you, you, you ..."

and another right on sentence...
"History teaches us that certain nations, certain peoples, and certain religions at peculiar periods in their history take a momentary, but deadly leave of their senses — Napoleon's France for most of a decade, the southern states in 1861, Japan in 1931, Germany in 1939, and Russia after World War II. And when they do, they cannot be bribed, apologized to, or sweet-talked — only defeated.

emphasis mine.

31 posted on 03/25/2002 10:13:08 AM PST by Countyline
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To: Pinlighter
That is only rhetoric, not actions.

Actions:

1. Cheating since 1989 on all "arms control" agreements by Russia.

2. Overt aid to Iraq, Iran and the PRC. The latter constitutes strategic arms aid among other key items.

3. The 7/16/2001 treaty with the PRC, now ratified in the Duma. The treaty explicitly states that should the US come into conflict with the PRC over Taiwan, Russian strategic capabilities and Naval forces would be brought to bear against the US.

Inasmuch as the PRC have overtly aided the Axis of Evil, this, by extension, implies that Russia are aiding the Axis of Evil, and, have now joined an overall axis, defined as early as 1993 by Bodansky, named "The Trans-Asian Axis". I am 100% confident that geopolitical events will show me to be correct.

I will believe that "Russia is on our side" when I see them make a bold break with their Trans-Asian Axis connections and replace these with connections with the West, and, compliance with arms control agreements.

32 posted on 03/25/2002 10:25:37 AM PST by GOP_1900AD
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To: aculeus; hellinahandcart; Pistias; Jeff Head
... straight shooting from the hip article
33 posted on 03/25/2002 10:28:17 AM PST by Countyline
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To: aculeus
Not so fast. See my reply to 24. The proof is in the pudding.
34 posted on 03/25/2002 10:29:40 AM PST by GOP_1900AD
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To: aculeus
I am proud that thugs like Khaddafi, murderers like Saddam Hussein, inquisitionists like the mullahs in Iran, criminals in Syria, medieval sheiks in the Gulf, and millions of others who do not vote, do not speak freely, oppress women, and are not tolerant of religious, gender, or ethnic diversity don't like me for being an American. I would find it repugnant if they did.

Priceless.

35 posted on 03/25/2002 10:42:39 AM PST by L,TOWM
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To: Reagan Man
Check this one out!
36 posted on 03/25/2002 10:45:13 AM PST by sinclair
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To: aculeus
All the while, no American statesman has the guts to tell the Arab leadership that statism, tribalism, fundamentalism, gender apartheid, and autocracy — not America, not Israel — make their people poor, angry, and dangerous

So Arabs want to destroy us because they are have-nots and we are haves?

37 posted on 03/25/2002 10:49:21 AM PST by Pistias
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To: Noumenon
Don't look to the churches - they're nothing more than the dwelling place for the clergy of oppression, and demons dance on their empty altars.

Rhetoric, or do you believe?

Don't look to the schools and he institutes of higher learning

Bastions remain...

All that's left is you...

Not a one of us can make it alone. We need each other, and not just for strength in numbers.

38 posted on 03/25/2002 10:56:17 AM PST by Pistias
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To: aculeus
The truth is that there is a great storm on the horizon,...

History teaches us that certain nations, certain peoples, and certain religions at peculiar periods in their history take a momentary, but deadly leave of their senses...

...And when they do, they cannot be bribed, apologized to, or sweet-talked — only defeated.

In that context, we see much of a whipped-up Arab world entering this similar period of dangerous unreality. The problem is them and their unelected and unfree regimes, not us — just as it was Hitler, not us; Tojo, not us; Mussolini, not us; and Stalin, not us — just as it always is when unelected maniacs take control and hijack an entire country and culture. We can either step up and stop Islamic fundamentalism, Arab terrorists, and Middle Eastern dictators or we can step back and watch it all continue to grow. If 9/11 was the beginning of a war, then we should remember that wars usually end when one, not both sides, win.

We have a chance to knock off the worst bad guys, one by one. If we fail, a large number of countries will unite against us. The foe hopes the list of enemies will include all of Islam.

It is already raining. If we are lucky, weapons of mass destruction will not be used against us and we will only get damp.

If the Arabs, (or worse, all of Islam) unite, weapons of mass destruction will be used against us. A very hard rain will then fall.

As this excellent article says, such a war will only end when one side or the other has been defeated.

39 posted on 03/25/2002 10:56:26 AM PST by EternalHope
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To: Countyline
Thanks for the ping.
40 posted on 03/25/2002 10:57:24 AM PST by Pistias
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