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Poster-boy losers: David Hackworth whacks military's inexperienced 'Perfumed Princes'
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, March 27, 2002 | Col. David Hackworth

Posted on 03/27/2002 7:05:44 PM PST by JohnHuang2

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To: Rokke
Oops, thanks for the info.
61 posted on 03/28/2002 5:06:55 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Thorn11cav
Real leaders put themselves were they can best support the troops in contact. There is already a general in theater. Franks has done a "moral" visit.
62 posted on 03/28/2002 5:51:58 PM PST by aimlow
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To: sneakypete
Jump school was held at Bragg for women at first,(I know somone who went) as a trial run to see how/if they would measure up to the standards the men were put through.

In my opinion, they should have kept them separate instead of making it easier for the men so that the women could participate.

63 posted on 03/28/2002 6:08:00 PM PST by airborne
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To: lentulusgracchus
The harvard MBAs spread this infection far and wide in U.S. business. What saves business from these jerks totally taking over is the business cycle. It seems to me that war should have the same salutatory effects as an economic downturn.
64 posted on 03/28/2002 10:14:31 PM PST by Righty1
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bump42morrow
65 posted on 03/28/2002 10:17:38 PM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: Righty1
The harvard MBAs spread this infection far and wide in U.S. business.

So now that they have been spreading throughout the United States Government since the days of Bernard Baruch and FDR's "brain trust", how would you cure the contagion?

Personally, if it were up to me, I'd use eminent domain to seize the campus, distribute the library, exile the faculty with nicks in their ears, embargo their graduates from public life, and turn their campus into a public park.

But, that's me.

66 posted on 03/29/2002 4:49:55 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: agincourt1415
The only thing that could make Grant look good...

You mean other than the fact that he beat every Southern general sent against him? If Grant was that bad then what does it say about his opponents?

67 posted on 03/29/2002 5:09:34 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
In all fairness to BGEN Eakle she is a logistics officer, has always been a logistics officer, and is Vice-Commander of a Logistics Center. What in her background do you think makes her unqualified for that post?
68 posted on 03/29/2002 5:12:12 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: agincourt1415
You're silly, if you think Grant was anything but average, in a group of horrible below average peers. The only thing that could make Grant look good, or gives the appearance of competence in the "operational art" is that most all his peers on the Union side were much worse.

There are many differents kinds of military generalship. While Grant may not have been a "great field commander," he was rare among the military talents of the day in several ways: 1) he won battlefield victories, something most of his Federal colleagues couldn't or wouldn't do; 2) he had a good strategic sense, in his plan to invade the south by using the Tennessee River as a "logistical highway;" 3) he had a knack for picking good corps and division commanders and promting men of talent (e.g., Sherman, Sheridan) and getting rid of those without it (e.g., McClernand); 4) like Lord Montgomery of Alamein, Grant was not imaginative or dramatically innovative on the battlefield -- he was simply bulldog tenacious. After accidentally colliding with Lee's army in The Wilderness, in forty days he drove the Confederates into box perimeter around Richmond from which they could not break out. When they finally did in April 1865, the war was quickly forced to conclusion; 5) most importantly, Grant had the confidence of his Commander-in-Chief, President Lincoln and in our system, the military is always subordinate to civilian authority. All other Federal commanders were found wanting in some key respect -- Grant carried out the policy directives of his superiors and did it without incessant demands for more men and material (which he got, in any event).

Grant's reputation as a butcher is undeserved. No Civil War general was able to solve the tactical problem presented by the rifled musket, which made traditional Napoleonic battlefield tactics obsolete. Indeed, this problem was not really solved finally until after the bloodbaths of The Great War, with the advent of the tank, which returned mobility to battlefield action. Until then, defense, trench warfare, and high body counts dominated the tactical playing field. One cannot denigrate Grant as a butcher without also doing the same to Lee, whose aggressive and inexhaustable use of irreplacable southern manpower was often commented upon by many Confederate civilians. Only after the war, as part of the rise of the Myth of the Lost Cause, was Lee elevated to secular military sainthood.

Grant was a good general because he accomplished his military aims. You can criticize a much of his performance, but he understood the stakes and dimensions of the War and was unwilling to adopt a tentative, hesitant tactical approach. His doctrine of "pursue the enemy army, wherever he goes" was the key to finally defeating the Army of Northern Virginia.

69 posted on 03/29/2002 5:16:05 AM PST by Cincinatus
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To: Cincinatus
Didn't Lee give up to Grant? Kind of seems silly to say he was a poor General in light of the fact that he won. I am sure you can find tactical mistakes, but operationally he was in charge at the end of the day.
70 posted on 03/29/2002 6:52:10 AM PST by aimlow
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To: Non-Sequitur
You're right, why should combat experience be necessary to be a General? /sarcasm
71 posted on 03/29/2002 7:10:32 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: aimlow
So the Union finally after holding superior strength for 4 years of the war - gave Grant command - and finally captured the enemy Capital only 150 miles from Washington.

Grant was at most competent - amoung other totally incompetent Generals.

Hackworth should have used Lee for his example - but I will forgive him.

72 posted on 03/29/2002 7:25:36 AM PST by agincourt1415
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To: JohnHuang2
Hack calls them as he sees them.
Thank God for men of good intentions and the courage to bravery
73 posted on 03/29/2002 7:47:55 AM PST by Countyline
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I could understand your contempt if she were placed in command of a fighter wing or something like that. But she has served 25 years in her specialty and holds a command in her specialty. But, for the sake of arguement, the Commanding General at Hill is MGEN Bergren and he has no combat experience, either. Is he equally unqualified?
74 posted on 03/29/2002 7:52:58 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: agincourt1415
Hackworth should be a Special Advisor to Rumsfeld, incharge of getting rid of perfumed princes. He's experienced in Mountain Warfare (Korea) and he communicates well with the troops in the field.

We have 8 years of liberal control of the military, and he could help clean that up, and get the "perfumed princes" out of the system, "retire em all" let God sort em out LOL.

I don't care for General Franks and neither does Rumsfeld - especially after the incident - where the remote spy plane could have taken out Mullah Omar - you all remember - Rummy got so mad he threw the chair through a glass wall.

75 posted on 03/29/2002 8:18:50 AM PST by agincourt1415
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To: agincourt1415
Grant was at most competent - amoung other totally incompetent Generals.

So then what you are saying is that Lee spent the first half of the war fighting and on several occasions being beaten by incompetent generals. And once he faced a merely competent general - your description not mine - he never once held the initiative and was forced to react rather than act for the duration of the war until he surrendered. That doesn't say much about Lee then, does it?

76 posted on 03/29/2002 8:25:13 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: onedoug
fyi
77 posted on 03/29/2002 8:27:51 AM PST by windcliff
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To: aimlow
My take on Hackworth is that he gets paid to point out how "awful" the military leadership is. He calls them how he see's them. So what? He is another journalist. He left the military when he would have been in a position to correct what he see's the problems being.
78 posted on 03/29/2002 8:33:22 AM PST by aimlow
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To: RLK
"Hack is a national resource."

A very PRECIOUS national resource, and I wish a lot of these other guys who 'know the score' would make themselves heard ( before it's too d*mn late).

79 posted on 03/29/2002 8:47:56 AM PST by Crowcreek
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To: agincourt1415
In the book "The Military One Hundred" Grant is listed as 33th from the top. The author mentions the capture of Fort Donelson, the five battles against numerical superior odds at Vicksburg, the victory at Shiloh, Chattanooga, and Lookout Mountain. The author also gives credit to Lee for the Wilderness, Spotsylvania and Cold Harbor. Nevertheless, Lee is ranked Number 60. What may have lessened Lee's rank is that Grant didn't have a "Pickett's Charge".
80 posted on 03/29/2002 8:52:59 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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