The Good Catholic's Response to Bad Priests

Bucks County Courier Times ^ | 4/3/02 | Claudio R. Salvucci

[Notwithstanding]

Clarification: I mean coed dorms where male rooms are next to female rooms.

[Aliska]

Yes, indeed she has (read a lot about the pope). She really likes the pope. She still admits that the pope doesn't like women. It's not over the priest issue either. It may have been the way the pope treated the woman from Pakistan and wouldn't have his picture taken with her. I'll ask her next time I talk to her to get clarification.

In public the pope has acted like he likes women. Deep down, I think he thinks women are inferior.

[ThomasMore]

A celibate priest never has to choose between going out at 3 AM to adminster last rights to a dying parishoner, or staying home to care for his sick child.

Personally, I pray that the Church retains the discipline of celibate priests, even if it meant that we are able to recruit fewer of them in our materialist culture.

I think sinkspur gives the quantitative response to the full time / part time argument about married priesthood. I know several married priests that are holy and VERY hardworking priests. Their wives are extremely understanding and the Church benefits just as much. Heck, give me a HOLY part time married priest any day over some of the celebate beauties I've had to deal with in my life.

Also, this brings up some very real questions. Can a married priest be as holy as a celibate priest? I would have to say yes! Otherwise, one would have to say that any of the married priests, lati rite or otherwise, are deficient somehow or other. If a married priest can be as holy as a celibate priest, then wouldn't it be logical to make the discipline optional as it was for 1000 years. Yes, most were celibate, but the discipline that the eastern rite follows I think has merit. Will this gain the church any more priestly ordinations? I don't know! But one thing is for certain. An all male priesthood (which it must be) coupled with the discipline of celibacy, has been a closet space, so to speak, for a lot of homosexually oriented men. The percentage in the clergy is far greater than in the general population. And the seminaries are loaded with them.

[Snuffington]

BTW, when statistically looking at the perpetrators and not the victims (pedophiles typically have more victims, i.e. Goeghan with 130) one sees that the percentage of ephebophiles and pedophiles is 98% ephebophiles compared to 2% pedophiles.

Thanks for the info. Where did you find it? All I keep finding are vague approximations.

[ThomasMore]

There is only one solution here, and it is this: the seminaries must refuse Holy Orders to those with same-sex attractions.

Be prepared to lose about 2/3 of the seminarians at the Mount. It is an exception to be straight. You get written up for seeing a girl, but "shower games" are overlooked!

[joathome]

I also agree with the idea of cleaning up the pool with some normal, heterosexual married priests.

The problem is that many Catholics pride themselves on their "differences" with protestantism, and the celibate priesthood is one of those differences. Any little thing that strikes of going over to the other side makes them squirm. :)

[ThomasMore]

Where did you find it?

This was a study done out in the Chicago Diocese. Philip Jenkins was involved with it. More info coming out from the CMA (Catholic Medical Association) that will blow this wide open. The most recent "Our Sunday Visitor" has this as a main feature. Excellant read!

[ArrogantBustard]

Be prepared to lose about 2/3 of the seminarians at the Mount

Fine. So be it. I don't care if it would be all of them. If they're all perverts, they all need to go. Now. Then get rid of the lesbian feminazi sisters who run the vocations office. Replace them with all the prospective seminarians that the FSSP had to turn away for lack of space.

AB

[Renatus]

God calls homosexual and heterosexual men to the sacred priesthood. This is evidenced from the fact that both are serving God in the sacred priesthood today. He expects them to lead pure, holy, celibate and chaste lives. If they do not and give scandal the bishop should deal with them in a manner he deems appropriate. The out-of=control mob screaming from the sidelines should let God be God and let the people He chose to rule His Church rule Her. If the rulers fail let God punish them. (Might read Dante's "Inferno".) It's the way Christ established His Church. Remember, this is Christ's Church and none of us need fear for the Holy Spirit is in charge.

[joathome]

This happened in my hometown in south Louisiana while I was a teen--a priest ran off with a woman and married her. They took him back, when he divorced her. We also had Gilbert Gauthe in our church. And a male organist who made passes at boys. We also had a deacon who used to date women in the church, and get real cozy (at least they were adults). Haven't had any scandals in subsequent churches.....just liberal priests who can't preach and will NOT talk about any type of sexual sin. I won't speculate why.

If I sound disillusioned, I am.

[ThomasMore]

predator hiding like a wolf in shepherd's clothing

They call them Queerwolves.

[Notwithstanding]

That the seminaries are NOW "loaded with them" is not due to celibacy - rather it is due to the liberal takeover and attempt to destroy any semblance of Catholis doctrine at any and all Catholic institutions.

There is no evidence that celibacy is the cause of the pink mafia manifesting itself in seminaries, etc - in fact, the fact that so many straight men have been turned away by the mafioso proves that celibacy is no barrier to a flourishing of vocations to the priesthood. That nasty fools took over the seminaries is a by product of LIBERAL stupidity, not CONSERVATIVE policies (of which celibacy is obviously one).

[joathome]

I think a lot of the priests I've known have liked women (as friends, I mean). They were just afraid of them. With the exception of the sacraments, women run a lot of the churches. It's a big problem; no strong, masculine leadership.

[Notwithstanding]

I would rather we lose 90% of the priests in order to insure a return to sound doctrine and morality at the pulpits and altars of every place the Mass is said.

[chatham]

Good Post!

Look at the Roman Catholic Faithful website for a look at the subculture within the Church, http://rcf.org.

[Notwithstanding]

If people had to sacrifice (drive an hour) to get to Mass on Sunday (due to a severe shortage of priests after the scum is skimmed) we would soon find out who is dedicated and devout.

[Antoninus]

Rooting out so many is going to cause terrific upheaval.

So be it. All successful reform movements cause terrific upheaval. That's part and parcel of their success.

[ThomasMore]

If I sound disillusioned, I am.

Because bishops are not handling the situation properly, you're not the only one! The buck stops with the bishops. But as we are finding out, there are sexually active homosexual bishops who turn a blind eye to stuff like this.

[OxfordMovement]

A a former Episcopalian looking at the Roman Catholic Church, I can't help but believe that if you all got rid of all of the homosexuals and teachers of questionable theology that you would have a huge increase in vocations from Catholic heterosexual men who would be willing to pursue a celibate life -- if they weren't having to defend their virtue from predatory homosexual priests. Maybe I am wrong to comment about an internal matter for you, but you have a great Church and I absolutely believe that God would bless all of you with faithful priests if this rot and evil were to be plucked out.