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To: Aliska
I don't mean this in a mean-spirited manner, but some of you hardliners come across as steely and cold, as if rules are everything and people are robots.

Please. Rules forbidding abortion and birth control are not meant to stifle "fun". Such a simple-minded, Hollywood-esque understanding of Catholic teaching requires more instruction than I can give in this forum. I urge you to pick up a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and find out WHY the Church takes the positions it does.

There must be a happy medium somewhere in all this.

No, one can not compromise with error without adopting some of that error.

Don't you think that is the reason some of these priests go haywire in the first place?

Sure. Just like everyone else, they are steeped in sin. And just like anyone else, when a priest commits a sin that's so egregious, though he be forgiven in the next life, he must be expected to bear the consequences of that sin in this life.

Growing up in such a rule-laden atmosphere takes all the spontaneity and fun out of life.

Give me a break. As if it's not possible to have a "spontaneous and fun" life within the rules set down by the Catholic Church. Some of the most pious priests I know are extremely humorous, good-natured people. I'm sorry that in your mind, it seems that "fun" can only be equated with various kinds of consequenceless sex outside of marriage.
158 posted on 04/04/2002 9:49:40 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Give me a break.

Please, I understand the rules about birth control and all that. I understand that certain actions have consequences and that we must pay for our sins.

I didn't grow up catholic and a lot of what I imagine about being a catholic child is negative. It was in terms of what it would be like to grow up catholic that I was speaking. It seems they were very restricted about . . . I was thinking about the marvelous freedom and innocence I experienced growing up in a different era with one best friend who was catholic and one was presbyterian. It seems to me from what I have seen about parish life that catholic children grow up in a repressive atmosphere today. It is difficult to put it into words. I guess the easiest way to say it is that a person can have too much religion in their life. Religion doesn't necessarily equate with spirituality and holiness.

My little catholic friend and I parted when she went off to catholic school. I begged my parents to let me go there and was sad about it for a couple years or so. Now the older I get I am sometimes glad that I went through the public schools and got a real taste of life.

Sometimes I wonder what catholic men are really like. The nice ones. I know there are some real scumbag catholic men but most of them would be considered nice by society but they . . .seem to lack kindness and compassion. But they would almost give their lives to save the church.

I know catholics can have a lot of fun when they are adults and much of that involves drinking. Some of that is no different from protestants. You just see the ugly side of people when they are drinking.

When I first got interested in the catholic church, I wanted to go to a dinner for St. Patrick's day. I took my granddaughter and her friend (had a hard time getting the little girl's father's permission to go but he relented - think it was the Lutheran/Catholic thing but can't be sure.

When we got to the dinner I paid (can't remember how much) and there wasn't anywhere to sit. We had to sit on the floor as a few others did, too. People just stepped around us. I still don't know how I feel about it but, looking back, I didn't feel particularly welcome although after dinner I think some person offered for me to come sit with them,

It didn't keep me out of the church but I guess I expected something that wasn't there. It was the clique thing. Catholics are very tight with each other.

I don't know why I am telling you any of this, but from your writing you come across like so many men. Observe the rules at all costs but don't let yourself see the pain and suffering right under your noses.

Now I don't need to lecture you about what some protestant men are like. I found out the hard way.

165 posted on 04/04/2002 10:51:28 AM PST by Aliska
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