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Australia's gun law failure : 'robbery with firearm' up 34%
The Sydney Morning Herald ^ | April 4 2002 | By Stephen Gibbs

Posted on 04/03/2002 5:20:13 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia:

A special team of detectives will investigate armed hold-ups as new figures reveal that such robberies soared by more than a third in two years.

Four areas of Sydney have borne the brunt of the rise, which has been blamed largely on a heroin drought driving up prices and pushing addicts into more desperate robberies.

In Blacktown, armed robberies rose 138 per cent in the two years to last December. Also hard hit were St George-Sutherland, where the rise was 77 per cent; central western Sydney, taking in Auburn, Holroyd and Parramatta (64 per cent); and Canterbury-Bankstown (43 per cent).

The Police Minister, Michael Costa, responded by announcing the new armed robbery response team - but he insisted it would not be a reborn armed hold-up squad.

That unit, once home to some of the state's best, and most notorious, detectives, was disbanded in the early 1990s. It was discredited at the Wood Royal Commission as harbouring corruption.

"That's why we're not going back to the days of Blue Murder," Mr Costa said, referring to the ABC television drama on 1980s gangsters and corrupt police.

The jump in armed robberies was the main finding of the annual NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research figures. As the data was released yesterday:

· Senior Constable Glenn McEnallay, who was shot in the head and chest as he sat in his patrol car at Hillsdale eight days ago, died in Prince of Wales Hospital. Police recovered three handguns after he was shot.

· A woman was shot in the arm near a Fairfield ATM (automatic bank teller machine), the day after a patron was shot in a hold-up at the Diggers Club at North Bondi. The bureau's director, Don Weatherburn, said there was a significant increase in the availability of handguns, especially in Sydney's south-west.

"I think there's no doubt there are more handguns in circulation. But it's manifest not just in the firearm robbery category; it's manifest in the shoot with intent to do grievous bodily harm, or murder."

Rates in most crime categories were stable over the two years, but robberies with a firearm rose by 34.1 per cent across the state.

Fraud rose about 16 per cent and assaults by about 8 per cent, while sexual offences and acts of indecency fell 6 per cent and burglaries by 3 per cent. All other crimes, including murder, remained stable.

Mr Costa said "a core of experienced detectives and intelligence analysts" would help plan and co-ordinate operations against armed robbers. "Certainly, this is not an armed hold-up squad," he said.

But such a squad is exactly what the state needs, says the Opposition police spokesman, Andrew Tink.

"He's making it up as he goes," Mr Tink said of Mr Costa. "There's no point 'responding'. A response team is following, not leading; being reactive, not proactive."

Mr Tink acknowledged that special squads had caused problems in the past but that after years of reform the force should be able to form a corruption-resistant armed hold-up squad.

Dr Weatherburn attributed the armed robbery jump in the four areas to the heroin drought first noted between December 2000 and January 2001, saying that immediately after "you started getting higher levels of robbery with a firearm".

The Opposition Leader, John Brogden, meanwhile backed a plan to put police in 10 high schools considered most at risk of gang violence.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: aussielist; banglist; secondamendment
Note: "Parramatta", "Fairfield" etc are suburbs of Sydney.


1 posted on 04/03/2002 5:20:13 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: ChrisM; MurryMom; Bang_list
OK all you million moms, please come here and talk about "sensible" gun laws.
2 posted on 04/03/2002 5:25:36 PM PST by coloradan
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Four areas of Sydney have borne the brunt of the rise, which has been blamed largely on a heroin drought driving up prices and pushing addicts into more desperate robberies.

Lott: More Guns Less Crime
Gibbs: More Drugs Less Crime

3 posted on 04/03/2002 5:27:32 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
But they said things would be safer without guns. What happened? (Morons)
4 posted on 04/03/2002 5:36:17 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
,,, it's clear that the price of heroin is at the root of the issue. No mention of combat against the distributors or drying up the supply is made here. Get the police to let more of it onto the streets. Higher turnover but less margin will mean they can put their feet up on the desk, (still taking their cut) and the robbers can put their guns away. Problem solved.
6 posted on 04/03/2002 5:45:47 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
In Blacktown, armed robberies rose 138 per cent in the two years to last December. Also hard hit were St George-Sutherland, where the rise was 77 per cent; central western Sydney, taking in Auburn, Holroyd and Parramatta (64 per cent); and Canterbury-Bankstown (43 per cent).

Are these slums, middle-class suburbs, high-rent districts...?

8 posted on 04/03/2002 5:49:56 PM PST by randog
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To: Byron_the_Aussie;*Aussie_list
Check the Bump List folders for articles related to and descriptions of the above topic(s) or for other topics of interest.
9 posted on 04/03/2002 6:09:07 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
As in many places here, only serious felons may carry concealed,,,if they keep quiet about it.
10 posted on 04/03/2002 6:27:27 PM PST by Waco
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To: xm177e2
...driving up prices and pushing addicts into more desperate robberies....

Yeah.

Those poor 'desperate' addicts, who have been 'pushed' into shoving a gun into someone's face. And -quite often- pulling the trigger. You won't be surprised to hear, XM, that here in New South Wales junkies have been officially granted Victimhood Status and (despite posession of heroin being illegal) can inject themselves in government approved 'shooting galleries.'

11 posted on 04/03/2002 8:40:52 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
There should be a law about criminals registering their firearms. That will stop all of this crime!
12 posted on 04/03/2002 8:46:19 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
...but they said things would be safer without guns. What happened?...

They lied.

But to their credit, some of Australia's most high-profile gungrabbers are today acknowledging the gun lobby were right. John Laws, our Downunder version of Rush Limbaugh, has apparently undergone that conversion this week. The Greens and related socialist scum are of course still unrepentant. Here's today's press release from the Greens Party :

MEDIA RELEASE
3 April 2002

Handguns key to firearms offence rise

Greens MP Lee Rhiannon said today that the annual NSW Crime Statistics report shows both major parties should commit to a ban on handguns and tighter restrictions on other firearms.

Ms Rhiannon said, "The greatest rise in any crime category was robbery with a firearm, which rose 34.1% across the State.

"Handguns are the most concealable firearm, which is why they are the weapon of choice in violent robberies.

"The State is awash with handguns and the Government should immediately ban them.

"These statistics do not tell us how many robberies involved a handgun, but we know that their use is endemic.

"Previously published figures show that the use of handguns in firearm-related homicides rose almost threefold between 1996 and 1999.

"Last year there were over 642,000 registered firearms in NSW including 70,000 handguns," said Ms Rhiannon.

More information :  Dan Cass 02 9230 3551
To get Greens media releases e-mailed, sign up at
www.us.altnews.com.au/greens/subscribe.htm
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Dan Cass
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Lee Rhiannon, MLC
The Australian Greens
Parliament of NSW
Tel: +61-2-9230 3551 Fax: +61-2-9230 3550
www.nsw.greens.org.au/lee

13 posted on 04/03/2002 8:46:58 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: shaggy eel
...get the police to let more of it onto the streets...

Shag? Fingers crossed that you forgot to add a sarcasm alert to this post????

14 posted on 04/03/2002 8:50:01 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: randog
..are these slums, middle-class suburbs, high-rent districts...?...

No, mate. As you might have guessed they are areas which have seen a huge influx of Asian and Middle Eastern immigrants over the last decade or so. The 'police are seeking a man described as...' bulletins on the radio constantly mention these two racial descriptions. Peculiarly, South Pacific islanders are also regularly sought as suspects in violent crimes, with a frequency out of all proportion to their numbers in Sydney. It's a group of Islanders who have been charged with the shooting murder of a police officer, mentioned in the story.

15 posted on 04/03/2002 8:56:16 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: TEXASPROUD; Brian Allen; Squantos
FYI, guys.
16 posted on 04/03/2002 8:57:22 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Yep, we need to take a good look at the lessons learned. Canada, Australia, and Britain are learning the hard way that the claims of gun control people are completely bogus. Do the people who are being mugged and beaten in the streets feel safer now that their rifles and shotguns, as well as their handguns, are being scrapped in government chop shops? I doubt it.
17 posted on 04/04/2002 2:56:57 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
It's time to re-arm, mate,,,,
18 posted on 04/04/2002 3:01:12 AM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
· Senior Constable Glenn McEnallay, who was shot in the head and chest as he sat in his patrol car at Hillsdale eight days ago, died in Prince of Wales Hospital. Police recovered three handguns after he was shot.

Interesting that they make sure everyone knows the guns were recovered. Nothing about the shooter?

19 posted on 04/04/2002 3:06:00 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Byron,
Sounds like Saturday night can get a bit dicey in Sydney.
Keep your powder dry
20 posted on 04/04/2002 3:46:05 AM PST by TEXASPROUD
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
...Canada, Australia, and Britain are learning the hard way that the claims of gun control people are completely bogus...

You bet they are amigo. And the onus is on the Rosie O'Donnells of this world to explain how it would be any different in the good ol' US of A. Down here we were promised all the usual feel-good nonsense; 'if it saves one life', 'for the children', and all the rest of the gungrabber's lies. And now we are looking at a THIRTY FIVE PERCENT increase in armed robbery in this, Australia's biggest city. As far as I am concerned ANYONE who calls for 'more gun laws' to reduce crime is nothing more than an enabler of criminals; an accessory, before the fact.

21 posted on 04/04/2002 4:23:55 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Jethro Tull
...it's time to re-arm, mate,,,,

Agreed. But even if you're tooled up like Pancho Villa it's of no use here, in a home invasion situation. Reason being, your gun must be stored in one locked cabinet and your ammo and bolt in another, to comply with the laws. So by the time you're ready to defend yourself the perp's already put a pistol to your head, while his mate's raping your daughter. That is the criminal stupidity of the gun laws as they operate in this country. Just by the way, I believe the stats don't tell the full story; a cop friend told me by far the bulk of home invasions go unreported, due to victim intimidation.

22 posted on 04/04/2002 4:30:15 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
As you might have guessed they are areas which have seen a huge influx of Asian and Middle Eastern immigrants over the last decade or so. The 'police are seeking a man described as...' bulletins on the radio constantly mention these two racial descriptions.

Watch out when your press stops reporting physical characteristics of perpetrators, as they largely have here. It's a sure sign they've started covering up for the lawlessness and non-assimilation of some immigrant / cultural communities.

Regarding having weapons at the ready - I'm sure glad to be in Red Zone America, and even more glad that all the states I travel to regularly have concealed carry reciprocity with my state. I don't like travelling out of the Southeast to other parts of the U.S., never mind overseas!

23 posted on 04/04/2002 4:51:28 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
"Reason being, your gun must be stored in one locked cabinet and your ammo and bolt in another, to comply with the laws."

Wee then, therein lies the problem.

Frankly, I'd take my chances violating the law rather than offering the thug my family's safety...

24 posted on 04/04/2002 7:06:02 AM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Shag? Fingers crossed that you forgot to add a sarcasm alert to this post????

,,, sarcasm in abundance Byron. It was a hit at the Police. We're aware of the heroin epidemic there and hope, of course, that it doesn't flow across to God's chosen country. Welfare blowouts are more than enough, without the thought of powder.

25 posted on 04/04/2002 11:17:46 AM PST by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
Phew. You scared me for a moment there mate. Thought you might have been nibbling on a botulised paua n' whitebait sandwich, or something. Yes it comes back to drugs, and this (state) government's tolerance of them. There has been a steady PC shift here, from viewing junkies as criminals to viewing junkies as victims. Heroin use, rather than being decried, has become accepted as just another medical problem. Just by the way the gun issue is big again today, on this morning's talk radio shows; I'll see if I can rustle up a link. Cheers, By.
26 posted on 04/04/2002 1:55:11 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Jethro Tull
....frankly, I'd take my chances violating the law rather than offering the thug my family's safety...

In reality that's what often happens. We've had quite a few armed robbers shot by feisty store owners. It would be great to have access to the statistics, and see if there's a dip in the armed robbery graph after such a shooting. But the facts are that the home invasion gangs predominately prey on our new Asian immigrants, few of whom are gunowners (since they don't have a culture of gun ownership in their country of origin.)

27 posted on 04/04/2002 2:00:11 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: AnnaZ; HangFire; Lady Jenn; Kithlyara; AZ Spartacus; feinswinesuksass; abigail2...
bump
28 posted on 04/04/2002 2:05:13 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
,,, replacing the ethos of criminal with victim suggests to me that there's no plans to stem the flow of heroin - accordingly, people holding positions with significant power are on the take, big time. Divert attention to guns to take the heat off the heroin issue. Heroin users don't present many problems to police or politicians, they just have to be fed what controls them and are a convenient problem that will always need government to help solve it.
29 posted on 04/04/2002 2:51:25 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
...even if you're tooled up like Pancho Villa it's of no use here, in a home invasion situation. Reason being, your gun must be stored in one locked cabinet and your ammo and bolt in another, to comply with the laws.

My goodness! How on earth did THAT provision pass into law?

30 posted on 04/04/2002 3:49:03 PM PST by dbwz
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To: lowbridge
Bimping this to read later.. thanks
31 posted on 04/04/2002 3:51:44 PM PST by ~Kim4VRWC's~
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
anyone heard from peabers?
32 posted on 04/04/2002 4:00:40 PM PST by Rustynailww
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
RE: "government approved shooting galleries."

We were in Melbourne a couple of years ago (having lived there from 1972-1989) and were shocked to see hordes of heroin addicts sprawled out on the steps of Flinders Street Station and in the Bourke Street Mall. During our visit, there was some debate about establishing "injection rooms", which immediately got implemented once a Labor government was returned to Victoria. Just disgusting.

Oh how I long for the Hamer days.

33 posted on 04/04/2002 4:23:02 PM PST by Inkie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
But the facts are that the home invasion gangs predominately prey on our new Asian immigrants, few of whom are gunowners (since they don't have a culture of gun ownership in their country of origin.)

But aren't the home invasion perpetrators Asian gangs? It is our experience in the US that they prey on their own people.

34 posted on 04/04/2002 4:25:32 PM PST by Inkie
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To: dbwz
...how on earth did THAT provision pass into law?...

...in a rush, without scrutiny or consideration, and during the mass hysteria following the Port Arthur shootings in 1996. It was one of the craziest times I've ever seen in this country, comparable to the madness surrounding the Lindy Chamberlain case. The antigunners pushed it through with the support of a compliant media.

35 posted on 04/04/2002 5:18:56 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Rustynailww
...anyone heard from peabers?...

He was over at the Troll site about a month ago. It got pretty vicious over there, Freepers vs. jjbrouwer's multiple identities. Then we were informed that peabers had some serious illness, and was in hospital. That news came from jjbrouwer so who knows what the truth is.

36 posted on 04/04/2002 5:22:16 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Inkie
...but aren't the home invasion perpetrators Asian gangs? It is our experience in the US that they prey on their own people....

Ours, too. But we've found that many of the Chinese gangs here have Triad connections. They're easily able to source illegal handguns. Having said that, many of the home invasions are carried out with more conventional weapons; baseball bats, machetes, and the like.

37 posted on 04/04/2002 5:25:17 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
"Having said that, many of the home invasions are carried out with more conventional weapons; baseball bats, machetes, and the like."

Send them over here; I could use the target practice...

38 posted on 04/04/2002 5:36:51 PM PST by Southack
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To: lowbridge
BTTT &;-)
39 posted on 04/04/2002 8:11:18 PM PST by 2Trievers
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
thanks.
40 posted on 04/05/2002 1:37:55 AM PST by Rustynailww
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
"Gimmee back... Gimmee back my bullets!"

(With apologies to Lynerd Skynerd)

41 posted on 04/05/2002 1:54:50 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: lowbridge
lowbridge, thanks for the ping!

I feel for (most of) the Aussies as they now experience some "unintended consequences"
from having been de-fanged by their gun laws.
42 posted on 04/05/2002 6:55:42 AM PST by VOA
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Great thread, I'm back in town (San Diego) after a short vacation.

When will it sink through that criminals love gun control?

No other group so appreciates a disarmed citizenry.

43 posted on 04/07/2002 9:44:27 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
It is sinking through here, Trav. Nobody excepting the Green Left is suggesting more gun laws will help in the current crime crisis. But it looks like that message hasn't got through to Stateside gun grabbers. Have you seen the latest Schumer thread?
44 posted on 04/07/2002 10:31:22 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
I'm on my way, thanks for the linkage.
45 posted on 04/07/2002 11:03:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Bump
46 posted on 04/07/2002 11:45:11 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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