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Globaphobic Vote in Brazil could alter political map of region
Miami Herald ^ | April 4, 2002 | Andres Oppenheimer: The Oppenheimer Report

Posted on 04/04/2002 3:54:05 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: rightwing2
My, did something I said offend you? No longer a pat supporter, dare I ask who then?

Yes, I support President George W. Bush.

21 posted on 04/04/2002 10:19:13 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife, Doughty One, sonofliberty2
My, did something I said offend you? No longer a pat supporter, dare I ask who then? Yes, I support President George W. Bush.

Unconditionally, I gather. I thought so. I have gone from being a longtime Buchanan supporter to a Keyes supporter. Keyes seems to be the conservatives' best hope to defeat the Liberal Republican Establishment's candidate in the 2004 GOP Presidential primary and punish him for signing legislation which will have the effect of permanently destroying the hard-won Republican majority.
22 posted on 04/04/2002 10:41:48 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I think one has to be careful what they consider an isolationist to be. Were we isolationists prior to 1990? Because prior to 1990 we did not pursue the trade policies we have adopted since then. We had never signed an agreement like NAFTA before that. We did not allow about one million illegal immigrants to cross our borders either.

Our founding fathers would never have signed trade agreements which saw 40% tariffs placed on our exports, but zero tariffs placed on items we purchase from other nations.

23 posted on 04/04/2002 10:59:08 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I grew up in Brazil (13 years) but left as soon as my parents retired. It is a wonderful country, even though living conditions are difficult. Some of the friendliest people in the world. I left before the first democratic elections were held...

I often go back to visit, and was there back in November. The hotbed of the PT movement is in the southern regions, although you can find it throughout Brazil. In the region where I used to live (the state of Parana), most of the regional elected officials belong to the PT party. They went in with much fanfare and optimism, announcing that they would become the utopia for the masses. However after 2 years in office, most of them have migrated towards the center after the realism of government life, and real world problems hit them. At least from what I saw, (and I met many of them in the churches, deacons, businesses, etc.) they aren't as bad as they seem. Yes it is a Socialist environment, however it is not an oppressive environment. I think that after a few years, the general public will become disenchanted with the party, and things will migrate towards the center again. I don't like Lula, but his rhetoric has definitely toned down since he first ran for office. One thing to keep in mind is that Brazil, I think, no longer will tolerate dictatorships or opressive governments. Real communism doesn't thrive under a free democracy or open society. Brazil is a free democracy and a very open society. If Lula wins, there will be an initial skepticism from the US, but I think you will find that they will remain a partner in US trade and relationships.

Oi, para os brasileiros que frequentam este site...Tenho muita vontade de comer um churrasco e tomar um guarana agora!!!

24 posted on 04/04/2002 11:25:16 AM PST by Maringa
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25 posted on 04/04/2002 11:30:17 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: DoughtyOne
The same old argument of isolationist is ridiculous.

Under this logic, the founders of America could be viewed as isolationists, as well as most U.S. presidents prior to World War I.

"Free Trade" is not free. It is death to America, and to its sovereignty. Trade areas, such as the EU, and a proposed Americas Union, are nothing but death to individual nations. However, so many Conservatives claim that "free trade" is a Conservative issue, because they don't want the government telling them what to do with their money. Hey, the government is telling you how to spend your money anyway with these "free trade" scenerios, of which third world countries are given the benefit over the AMerican worker.

Protectionist trade policies need to be in place for America. This is what we used to uphold to. That is, before all this "free trade" jargon started to float around. In the meantime, our industries have packed their bags and shipped their manufacturing centers overseas, or they have moved across the border. Now, we have slaves in China making our garments, products, etc., while our American industrialized sector has shriveled up. Yeah, that's true Conservatism, one in which America's industrial sector is not Conserved, and one in which we allow ourselves to be succombed to higher taxation as a result of paying for the massive debts due to the trade imbalance.

I'm all for across the board tarrifs. If other countries don't like it, oh well. The U.S. needs to be more self sufficient, and if we aren't self sufficient, does America really have any sovereignty?

Furthermore, I don't believe the gloom and doom scenerio that the free-traders claim. That is, that everyone would stop exporting to us, etc. America is so powerful, that we'll still have plenty of willing countries to export to. In the meantime, it will give U.S. companies what they need to stay here in the United States. Furthermore, it will allow for more job creation, more U.S. startup companies, as well as many corporations bringing the jobs home. Will it be smooth? Of course not. However, it is what is needed for us to survive. All this interventionist garbage is nothing but a slow death to America. George Washington warned us about entangling with foreign alliances.

Call me an Isolationist, a Nationalist if you will. But I'm proud to be an American, and a Constitutionalist at that.

26 posted on 04/04/2002 11:33:52 AM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
I hear you. Unfortunately the ears and minds that need to hear this are closed.
27 posted on 04/04/2002 11:48:01 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
It appears that way. I can't understand how roughly 3/4 of Free Republic supports this "free trade" garbage, and anything that is protectionist is viewed as Communism, Naziism, etc. They're essentially saying that the founding fathers were Communists.
28 posted on 04/04/2002 11:55:51 AM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: The Grammar Police
The Brazilian left, Lula included, are pro-nationalization of businesses, anti-American, anti-trade and anti-wealth.

He sounds like a 21st century Peron.

I guess South America will never look at the example of a propserous and peaceful country in their own midst, Chile.

29 posted on 04/04/2002 12:01:42 PM PST by Dane
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To: Maringa
Real communism doesn't thrive under a free democracy or open society. Brazil is a free democracy and a very open society. If Lula wins, there will be an initial skepticism from the US, but I think you will find that they will remain a partner in US trade and relationships.

If enough of these communists stand together, they will be buoyed by each other and create a strength that alone they do not possess. A real communism, the kind that they claim to dream about, has never been achieved but they keep saying it will be wonderful. I see it as no more than taking power and subjugating people as the cogs in their wheel. In that kind of set up, they don't ask permission and they will deal with China and other anti-American countries. Bush wants to weed out corruption and begin to elevate the poor in this hemisphere. I believe he sees the way to bringing these countries out of their flirtation with communist oppression. I think the communist oppressors see it too and are determined to counter his actions. I hope there's enough of a spark of freedom in that region to fan the fires of reform.

30 posted on 04/04/2002 12:36:52 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Hey, America shouldn't be embeddled in other countries' business. Washington warned about this. All it does is bring America down.
31 posted on 04/04/2002 12:40:10 PM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Bush wants to weed out corruption and begin to elevate the poor in this hemisphere.

At America's economic, cultural, Constitutional, and social expense?

32 posted on 04/04/2002 12:43:45 PM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Globaphobic: Is that another nonsense, PC word?
33 posted on 04/04/2002 12:55:49 PM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: Maringa
See post #16.

Eu nao se nos tivimos Brasileiros aqui. De novo, tenho muito prazer ver esso.

Y'all sure can throw a party...

35 posted on 04/04/2002 1:14:55 PM PST by Caipirabob
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To: Old Hickory
That's how bad it is there because of "globalist" efforts.

That's how bad it is because of graft and corruption. All business is not bad any more than all politicians are bad. The bad politicians blame their graft on the evils of capitalism while pocketing their cut. Time to clean out the bad politicians and punish bad company practices and shine the light on who these culprits are. This mentality has to be tackled on all levels of society. The bribe they take now will come back to bite them in the form of a bigger bribe taken further up the ladder and so on and so on. They have to want something more.

36 posted on 04/04/2002 1:16:02 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: FreedomFriend
Yes I believe you're right.
38 posted on 04/04/2002 9:37:30 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
I heard Bush on C-Span last night talking about the "values of Free Trade". He was talking about how some European countries had entered into 30 Free Trade compacts. He then went onto say that they're all into competition, and he, I believe, hinted at the idea that we're losing out in the free trade battle, and that we need to adopt more policies to catch up.

I couldn't believe the garbage. "Free Trade" only helps to bring first world countries down, and that includes the U.S.

It appears that he's playing the American people for idiots. Quite a sad time when a President places other countries' welfare over the U.S.. Furthermore, it's quite sad that he's doing it in such a way that will bring about a world government. Where else do you think that this is headed? Loss of American Sovereignty, hence World Government after "free trade" becomes wide-spread. Yet, so many Freepers don't get it, and they are supporting these trade policies that will destroy America.

Oh, DoughtyOne, do you have a show on the OtherRadioNetwork? Furthermore, were you the one who interviewed PatBuchanan with Diotoma?

40 posted on 04/05/2002 12:03:32 PM PST by FreedomFriend
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