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Right about the direction of this forum. It comes down to who is framing the dialogue. This falls in the same category of the telling of the genocidal practices of the Nazis. I doubt that more than 20% of Americans under the age of thirty know how many died in the camps just for being members of some ethnic or religious group. After the holocaust lessons in school my own children thought the number was 6 million. It's like the other six million murders never happened or just don't count.

I doubt that more than 20% of Americans under the age of thirty know how many died in the camps just for being members of some ethnic or religious group.

I bet fewer than 1% know of the first European Holocaust, the one Eichmann used as a model, the one which killed between 7 and 14 million Christians in the Ukraine. The code words Kaganovitch and Trotsky used to describe the Christians they killed were "kulak" and "bourgeois". That one Holocaust is common knowledge and the other virtually unknown, that Eichmann n is a household name while few know of Kaganovtich does suggest a political agenda, does it not?

If you think United States interests are divorced from its alliance with ISrael, you are being naive.

Islamic coutries' populations grew ?tenfold? during the last century. Many times faster than that of the West (large families, oil money,modern medical care, few "real" wars - compared to WWI and WWII). Their economies are not capable to sustain their population. Their oil supplies are about to become no longer needed, or dry out. Technological gap between East and West continues to widen. Their population growth is not sustainable. Their societies are poor, repressive, and generally miserable. They resent Westernization and modernization, yet demand the benefits offered by the Western societies.

Their only hope is Globalization, administered by Islamist-dominated UN. Global taxation, global WelfareState. As I recall, one of Osama's little demands against US is a mere $36,000,000,000,000 (I am NOT making this up) - "to compensate Islamic World for stealing its oil". They want it "paid in small installments, over an extended period of time". If we do not comply, they will call in the "Islamic Collection Agency", strapped with a couple of tactical nukes, or bio-weapons. You get my drift?

The only way they can be persuasive enough in their negiations with the West is the new tool: suicide bombers + leftist propoganda. This new weapon is being tested in Israel. Osama was not part of the plan, but 911 gave us a glimpse of what will inevitably happen if Israel is defeated by Islamists. The wave of terror will spread throught the World like Wild Fire. Islamists will come up with a few dozen new demands, and will use suicide bombers in their "negotiations" with the Free World. Europe will fold like a leaf, as they did when Hitler gave them a couple of swift kicks in the rear.

If suicide bombers fail, they will seek other weapons.

Our strategic goal should be democratization of Islamic States; and Westernization of their economic systems. It will not be easy, though switching to fuel cells is a good start. Alternatives are unthinkable.