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To: Ancesthntr
we need allies. Not the sort like Saudi Arabia that finance our enemies and feign indignation when we get bloodied, but real allies like Israel and England

England is a real ally. Israel is an ally because, right now, they need us.From the Lavon Affair to Pollard, they have often worked against us. We should work with Israel to root out Muslim terror but Americans should have no illusions that, with Israel, it is never a two way street and they cannot be trusted as the Brits can.

19 posted on 04/05/2002 4:58:49 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
England is a real ally.

True, the other one engages in anti-American espionage, turns our military tech over to the ChiComs/highest bidders;turned over our intelligence assets to Soviets;killed our boys on the Liberty, and thumbs its nose at Bush most recently

21 posted on 04/05/2002 5:05:20 PM PST by mv1
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To: LarryLied; knighthawk; veronica; dennisw; nachum; sabramerican; american in israel; thinkin' gal...
England is a real ally. Israel is an ally because, right now, they need us.From the Lavon Affair to Pollard, they have often worked against us. We should work with Israel to root out Muslim terror but Americans should have no illusions that, with Israel, it is never a two way street and they cannot be trusted as the Brits can.

I've got another piece of news for you, courtesy of Winston Churchill: there are no permanent allies, there are only permanent interests. No nation, not us, not England, not Israel, not anyone else, would allow itself to be destroyed (well, OK, France, but I'm talking about real nations) without fighting for its life. In less serious circumstances, nations will spy even on their allies. If you don't think that Britain spies on us, then you'll also believe that I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale, cheap.

As I said in my first post, any nation that is willing to bleed alongside us in this fight is an ally. Israel has proven that they are just such an ally. They are not only helping to destroy the worldwide terrorist infrastructure (albeit in their small corner of the world, and for their reasons), but they are providing us with invaluable intelligence, something Britain can't do right now. That doesn't mean that I think Britain isn't as good an ally, only that Israel is an ally, and always has been on this issue. Israel will, ultimately, help us destroy the unholy trio of Syria, Iran and Iraq, as will the Brits. I hope that we have more support than that, but these two countries are both the kind of allies that we want and need.

Try to look at the bigger picture. We are engaged in the opening battles of World War 3. The Islamicists and the Chinese want to destroy us, they are natural allies. We need to eliminate the power of the first group now, while China is still relatively weak. If we don't, we will be in a world of hurt in 10 years or so. Stop b!tching about those who are with us - Bush isn't.

48 posted on 04/06/2002 8:02:54 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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