[Brian Kopp DPM]

Bring back Torquemada. Let the homosexual inquisition begin. Start with Mahony and Law. Put them on the racks.

This cancer needs to be excised and any vestiges of the liberal carcinogenic theology that caused it, obliterated with the chemo and radiation therapy of fullblown vibrant zealous orthodox Catholicity.

When I look at my 9 year old son, and his innocence, an innocence hard bought by homeschooling and having given up TV 5 years ago in our home, and many other sacrifices, and I contemplate that one of these homosexual bastards could rob him of that innocence in a minute...I must say that I would literally kill the SOB. They are not capable of being changed. Capital punishment is appropriate, IMHO.

A priest writing last year summed it up. The problem can be seen in the language of the bishops, continuing to insist on being pastoral to both victim and victimizer, compared to the language of a father, who said, essentially, that "I'd kill him with a baseball bat."

Don't let anybody tell you that faithful Catholics are more interested in "protecting the church" than stopping the abuse and protecting our innocents.

We are parents. We are fed up with this. We have a deep down visceral response to this abuse, especially fathers. We also have an ingrained Catholic sense not to "cause scandal," so many have not aired their gut visceral response in public.

But it is there, and its growing violently, and it is going to be tapped into to make this, finally, the awakening of the sleeping giant that is the orthodox rank and file Catholic laity. Watch Out.

[Brandybux]

But it is there, and its growing violently, and it is going to be tapped into to make this, finally, the awakening of the sleeping giant that is the orthodox rank and file Catholic laity. Watch Out.

As one who stands outside the Roman fold, I assure you there are many like myself who fervently pray that your tribe increase!

Is there anyone who is a man within Roman laity who can and will marshall the faithful in the face of these weasley shepherds? For all her laudable qualities, surely Mother Angelica isn't the best American Catholicism can do?

[Mike Fieschko]

Here's the article at the Boston Globe

Newly released documents show church officials knew of complaints against priest
By Michael Rezendes, Globe Staff, 04/08/02

BOSTON -- Church documents released today by an alleged victim of clergy sexual abuse and his attorney show that church officials knew the Rev. Paul R. Shanley had been accused of child abuse and approved of deviant sexual behavior yet assigned him to posts that gave him access to children.

"As early as 1967 the Archdiocese of Boston was on notice of Paul Shanley's deviant behavior toward young men," said Boston attorney Roderick MacLeish, Jr.

The 800 documents, which were aired at a noontime news conference, provide evidence that the late Cardinal Humberto Medeiros and Cardinal Bernard F. Law allowed Shanley to serve as a parish priest in Boston and California _ and as an administrator at a New York City hostel _ even though they knew Shanley had a history of sexually molesting minors.

The documents also show that at least some knowledge of Shanley's activities were shared the the Vatican.

"All of the suffering that has taken place at the hands of Paul Shanley...none of it had to happen," MacLeish said, asserting that he knows of approximately 30 individuals who say they were molested by Shanley.

MacLeish is representing Gregory Ford, a 24-year-old Newton man who has filed a lawsuit alleging he was repeatedly raped by Shanley from the time he was 6 years old to the time he was 11, in 1989. Ford and his parents, Rodney and Paul, attended the news conference with MacLeish.

MacLeish described Shanley as a "serial child molestor," and "a monster." And, in a multimedia presentation displayed a 1996 letter from Law to Shanley in which Law praised the priest he knew had been accused of child abuse.

"For thirty years in assigned ministry you brought God's Word and His Love to His people and I know that that continues to be your goal despie some difficult limitations," Law wrote. "This is an impressive record and all of us are truly grateful for your priestly care and ministry to all whom you have served during those years."

Later, in 1997, Law drafted a letter to then-New York Cardinal John O'Connor supporting Shanley's effort to be named director of Leo House, a Catholic-affiliated New York City hostel even though "some controversy" had followed Shanley to New York. "If you do decide to allow Father Shanley to accept this position, I would not object," Law wrote.

The letter was never sent because O'Connor said he would not approve Shanley's appointment, according to other church documents.

One of the documents released yesterday shows that in 1978 Shanley, who was then known as Boston's "street priest," spoke at a Boston conference held by advocates of sex between men and boys and said he supported the activity. A magazine called Gay Week reported at the time that Shanley spoke as a "representative of Boston's Cardinal Medeiros for outreach to sexual minorities."

MacLeish said he believes the conference led to the formation of the North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA.

In 1979, Medeiros ended Shanley's street ministry and assigned him to the now-defunct St. John the Evangelist Church, in Newton. But parishioners say they were never informed of the allegations of sexual abuse that had been made against Shanley.

The Globe reported in January that at least five people who say they were abused by Shanley have reached financial settlements wiht the archdiocese.

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

The pope should appoint a prelate for America and the inquisition into the priesthood should begin. Too much autonomy and no accountability. Law may end up, justifiably so, being indicted over this revelation. Good riddance.

[Vladiator]

Let the homosexual inquisition begin.

The real scandal here isn't that there are some homosexuals in the Church. The real scandal is that the bishops knew about their priests raping little boys and covered it up!

If this were in a public shcool district, the teachers and adminstrators would have been arrested by now and would have benn put in jail.

This is a huge stinking crime, and every priest, bishop or cardinal involved in it should be defrocked and prosecuted as the criminals that they are.

In my opinion.

[Romulus]

The silver lining to this black cloud is that there's no way the next pope will be an American.

[redhead]

I agree. It is time to get this process underway. The sooner these evil people are exposed and dealt with, the sooner the real Catholics can have their Church back.

[bvw]

Can't be a top down thing. It has to be corrected by individual persons and families acting in a cohesive, consistent fashion.

I would say that the whole religious structure -- the Pope, infallibility, etc. is the root of the problem, but that would be construed as religion bashing. So instead I'll say this -- if you want genuine morality and a system based on it -- religion -- you'd better look for the true sources and connections to it. Get the real thing and settle for no less.

[Aliska]

Bring back Torquemada. Let the homosexual inquisition begin. Start with Mahony and Law. Put them on the racks.

Sigh. I thought we'd left all that behind us, but I see that the papal bull ad extirpans still has some adherents.

That is a scary thought and I hope I don't live to see that again. And we don't need a violent backlash on homosexuals, either, and if the church were to pursue your course too vigorously, all h*** could break loose . . . is that what you want?

I saw that picture of that pitiful little man who was such an ogre and I found myself not wishing him to come to some bad end but find him despicable nonetheless.

[Joshua]

"You know what, I'm so sick of your kind of crap here, it makes me furious.

Bring back Torquemada. Let the homosexual inquisition begin. Start with Mahony and Law. Put them on the racks.

and I contemplate that one of these homosexual bastards could rob him of that innocence in a minute...I must say that I would literally kill the SOB

Ya' got yer screen name wrong pal. That shoulda' been B.S.Plenty.

these pervs.

You know what, I'm so sick of your kind of crap here, it makes me furious.

Get lost. You have nothing to offer real Christians in Christ's True Church. "

Real christian? A representative of Christ? I hope your wife is the person who homeschools your kids when it comes to English.
If your an example of the "Righteous Catholics" that are going to take the church back God help them.
Your rants, language, and attacks on this thread are pathetic for some one who claims to know Christ. (Please spare me the "beam in your own eye" defense)

[Longshanks]

many have not aired their gut visceral response in public. But it is there, and its growing violently, and it is going to be tapped into to make this, finally, the awakening of the sleeping giant that is the orthodox rank and file Catholic laity.

It should have happened a long time ago. The indifference of orthodox laymen is greatly to blame for the present situation. We expected preists to do the work but the non-deviant, orthodox clergy is weak and disorganized. The enemy is so deeply entrenched in the Church human organization, that the strength of the orthodox laity is required to drive it out. We must choose leaders, and dedicate ourselves to bringing about a truly orthodox Church Reform as Queen Isabella did in Spain 500 years ago.