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I saved this when I found it posted by another member...I like it:

Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earthand over all the creatures that move along the ground."

RULE = KILL?? I looked RULE up in the dictionary and couldn't find the rule KILL FOR PLEASURE anywhere in the definition. Someone on another thread wrote this and I think it would do you some good to read it:

Someone elses response:

Let's have a Bible lesson shall we? God emphatically states that he never wanted animal sacrifices. That was in The Law of the first covenant that the people asked for themselves and then found that the Law did not work and was impossible to keep. God wants a humble and contrite spirit, a broken-heart,repentance for sins in the MIND as sacrifice. That is what Jesus taught--regeneration of the human heart, not dead goats. Jesus was the perfect sin-sacrifice, abolishing animal killings in the temple, and dying to cover the sins of all who believe in Him.

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Mark17:

would you break the law to save this dog?

A dog, no. A human being, yes.

THanks...you also prove the compassion of a hunter. What if this dog were a seeing eye dog of a priest? Would you break the law? LOL!!

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To: Gianni:

Look...SCOPES!

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Cougars to Be Killed as Part of "Studies"
This is real nice too....

I looked RULE up in the dictionary and couldn't find the rule KILL FOR PLEASURE anywhere in the definition.

You should try looking up solipsism...it would do you much more good.

I think the top photo of the Winchester Model 70 Classic Featherweight XTR is just about the prettiest rifle ever made. I got one like it for my son when he was 13 and 12 years later he still has it and swears he will never part with his Winchester. And by the way, there was a lot of good times hunting with him over the years too.

This thread is way too hot for me to keep up.

Tell me, which of the pictures is the dreaded laser scope of which you spoke earlier???

What if this dog were a seeing eye dog of a priest? Would you break the law? LOL!!

No.

FROM THE BIBLE: Gen.8:20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, "I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart [is] evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.

Gen.9:1 So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. 2 "And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move [on] the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. 3 "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs.

Exodus 12:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2 This month [shall be] unto you the beginning of months: it [shall be] the first month of the year to you. 3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth [day] of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of [their] fathers, a lamb for an house: {lamb: or, kid} 4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take [it] according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb. 5 Your lamb shall be without blemish , a male of the first year: ye shall take [it] out from the sheep, or from the goats: {of...: Heb. son of a year} 6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. {in...: Heb. between the two evenings} 7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike [it] on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

Leviticus 4:1 Now the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 "Speak to the children of Israel, saying: `If a person sins unintentionally against any of the commandments of the Lord [in] [anything] which ought not to be done, and does any of them, 3 `if the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, then let him offer to the Lord for his sin which he has sinned a young bull without blemish as a sin offering. 4 `He shall bring the bull to the door of the tabernacle of meeting before the Lord, lay his hand on the bull's head, and kill the bull before the Lord. 5 `Then the anointed priest shall take some of the bull's blood and bring it to the tabernacle of meeting. 6 `The priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle some of the blood seven times before the Lord, in front of the veil of the sanctuary. 7 `And the priest shall put some of the blood on the horns of the altar of sweet incense before the Lord, which is in the tabernacle of meeting; and he shall pour the remaining blood of the bull at the base of the altar of the burnt offering, which is at the door of the tabernacle of meeting.

2 Chron.5:1 So all the work that Solomon had done for the house of the Lord was finished; and Solomon brought in the things which his father David had dedicated: the silver and the gold and all the furnishings. And he put [them] in the treasuries of the house of God. 2 Now Solomon assembled the elders of Israel and all the heads of the tribes, the chief fathers of the children of Israel, in Jerusalem, that they might bring the ark of the covenant of the Lord up from the City of David, which [is] Zion. 3 Therefore all the men of Israel assembled with the king at the feast, which [was] in the seventh month. 4 So all the elders of Israel came, and the Levites took up the ark. 5 Then they brought up the ark, the tabernacle of meeting, and all the holy furnishings that [were] in the tabernacle. The priests and the Levites brought them up. 6 Also King Solomon, and all the congregation of Israel who were assembled with him before the ark, were sacrificing sheep and oxen that could not be counted or numbered for multitude.

Acts 11:4 But Peter rehearsed [the matter] from the beginning, and expounded [it] by order unto them, saying, 5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me: 6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat. 8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth. 9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common. 10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.

Luke 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. 22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put [it] on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on [his] feet: 23 And bring hither the fatted calf , and kill [it]; and let us eat, and be merry:

I shot 2 doves today. Just keeping up the reflexes. Have a good day. Sentient beings are tasty.

Man... that really *is* an idiotic post. First you don't want us to put animals on the same level as people, and then we "prove the compassion" of hunters by saying we wouldn't rescue a dog from X danger if it meant risking our lives. But we would try to rescue a human. Thereby putting humans on a higher plane than animals. Make up your mind. Either animals are different, and can/should be treated differently, or they aren't.

I wouldn't rescue the seeing eye dog of anyone either, because they can be replaced, tragic as the loss would be, they are likely covered by insurance against accidental death. At least, if I had to have one I would insure it.

And what exactly was the "scope" an answer to?

Let's have a Bible lesson shall we?

Yes, let's!

Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Mat 15:36-37 And he took the seven loaves and the fishes, and gave thanks, and brake [them], and gave to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the broken [meat] that was left seven baskets full.
1Cr 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
Col 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
Rom 14:2-3 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Act 10:11-15 And [in a trance, Peter] saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.
John sees the same vision in the next chapter.

God emphatically states that he never wanted animal sacrifices.

...for reasons having nothing to do with sustinence. Eating meat for nourishment is axiomatic in Scripture.
BTW: There's about a hundred verses ordering animal sacrifices.

To be sure, we are not to condemn those who, for whatever reason, do not eat meat...and those who do not are not to condemn those who do. Nobody here has a problem with you not eating meat; we have a problem with you condemning us for doing so.

Look...SCOPES!

Scopes, yes. "Laser scopes", no.

Let's have a Bible lesson shall we? God emphatically states that he never wanted animal sacrifices. That was in The Law of the first covenant that the people asked for themselves and then found that the Law did not work and was impossible to keep.

Could you reference that for me, where God says He never wanted animal sacrifices? How come He accepted Abel's offering then, if He found animal sacrifices so repugnant? Also, the first thing Noah did coming out of the ark was build an altar. These are sacrifices before the establishment of the law. Abraham as well - he sacrificed a ram - which GOD provided - when God spared his son. Again BEFORE the establishment of the Law.

Genesis 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

Genesis 8:20-21 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the LORD smelled a sweet savour...

Genesis 9:1-3 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

And while you're at it, could you please reference where the people asked for the Law? To clarify - the Law works just fine, it's the people who can't work the Law.

God wants a humble and contrite spirit, a broken-heart,repentance for sins in the MIND as sacrifice.

Amen to that.

That is what Jesus taught--regeneration of the human heart, not dead goats. Jesus was the perfect sin-sacrifice, abolishing animal killings in the temple, and dying to cover the sins of all who believe in Him.

He absolutely was the perfect sacrifice. But Jesus also was the perfect fulfillment of the Law, and that included keeping the feasts, such as Passover, and the Passover meal involved animal sacrifice. Which He also ate, as we see in Matthew -

Matthew 26:17-21 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover? And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples. And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover. Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve. And as they did eat...

And what about this one?

Acts 10:9-16 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

Or this one -

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Besides all that, what does this have to do with hunting anyway? I'm not sure I get the connection.

I apoligize if this has been addressed....don't have the time to wade through all the articles, but is that a scope on a 12 ga???

BTW, 22LR hp does a real nice job on stray felines pawing in the goldfish pond. Especially the ones with collars....