Posted on 04/08/2002 7:23:49 PM PDT by dennisw
How much of the West Bank did Israel offer the Palestinians?
MAY 2000 PROPOSAL (before intifada)
DECEMBER 2000 PROPOSALS (four months into the intifada)
Projections of the Israeli offer in December 2000, and the December 2000 Bridging Proposal of US President Clinton
US Bridging Proposal
Israeli Proposal
A map showing the projection of the bridging proposals of U.S. President William J. Clinton, December, 2000. Dark Gray areas are currently Areas A and B of Palestinian control. Light Gray areas would become part of the Palestinian state. Gray-striped areas would become part of the Palestinian state after an interim period. Maps are adapted from . A map showing the projection of the Israeli proposals of the government of PM Barak, December, 2000. Dark Gray areas are currently Areas A and B of Palestinian control. Light Gray areas would become part of the Palestinian state. Gray-striped areas would become part of the Palestinian state after an interim period. Maps are adapted from .
FINAL JANUARY 2001 PROPOSAL
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Palestinian Sovereign Areas According to the Barak/Sharon Proposals - 2001, also in PDF.Staged Israeli Transfers of West Bank Territory, 1994-2000Projection of the Abu Mazen BeilinFinal Status Map Presented by Israel - Taba, January 2001Map: Projection of the Final Status Map Presented by Israel, December 2000Map: Projection of the Clinton Proposal, December 2000West Bank Final Status Map Presented by Israel, May 2000The West Bank After the Second Israeli Redeployment, March 2000Palestinian Autonomous Area-Jericho, 1994 Palestinian Autonomous Area--Gaza Strip, 1994 Palestinian Autonomous Area in Hebron, Redeployment 1997 Oslo Map 1995 Netanyahu's "Allon Plus" Final Status Map Israel's Final Status Options Map Road map for IDF Redeployment-the West Bank, 1996 Ramallah-Betunia bypass road, July 1998 Israeli Redeployment Options, July 1998 Current and Projected Israeli Redeployment According to the Wye Memorandum, 1998 The West Bank, after the First Stage of Israeli Redeployment, according to the Wye Memorandum, November 1998 The West Bank, After the first Israeli deployment, according to the Sharm al-Sheikh Memorandum, September 1999 The West Bank, After the second Israeli deployment, according to the Sharm al-Sheikh Memorandum, January 2000
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What I see are increasingly desperate and generous offers by Ehud Barak. Between May 2000 and January 2001 the offers got better even though the intifada was raging
But here's the thing I still don't see being asked.
Why is Israel giving them anything at all?
Of course they were still hated. Now they Pals brought in Sharon who doesn't care about world opinion, so long as the Jrews are safe.
Please let them hold their ground!
Resolutions of the Palestine National Council
Article 1:Palestine is the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people; it is an indivisible part of the Arab homeland, and the Palestinian people are an integral part of the Arab nation.
Article 2:Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.
Article 3:The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to determine their destiny after achieving the liberation of their country in accordance with their wishes and entirely of their own accord and will.
Article 4:The Palestinian identity is a genuine, essential, and inherent characteristic; it is transmitted from parents to children. The Zionist occupation and the dispersal of the Palestinian Arab people, through the disasters which befell them, do not make them lose their Palestinian identity and their membership in the Palestinian community, nor do they negate them.
Article 5:The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or have stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father - whether inside Palestine or outside it - is also a Palestinian.
Article 6:The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians.
Article 7:That there is a Palestinian community and that it has material, spiritual, and historical connection with Palestine are indisputable facts. It is a national duty to bring up individual Palestinians in an Arab revolutionary manner. All means of information and education must be adopted in order to acquaint the Palestinian with his country in the most profound manner, both spiritual and material, that is possible. He must be prepared for the armed struggle and ready to sacrifice his wealth and his life in order to win back his homeland and bring about its liberation.
Article 8: The phase in their history, through which the Palestinian people are now living, is that of national (watani) struggle for the liberation of Palestine. Thus the conflicts among the Palestinian national forces are secondary, and should be ended for the sake of the basic conflict that exists between the forces of Zionism and of imperialism on the one hand, and the Palestinian Arab people on the other. On this basis the Palestinian masses, regardless of whether they are residing in the national homeland or in diaspora (mahajir) constitute - both their organizations and the individuals - one national front working for the retrieval of Palestine and its liberation through armed struggle.
Article 9: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. This it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase. The Palestinian Arab people assert their absolute determination and firm resolution to continue their armed struggle and to work for an armed popular revolution for the liberation of their country and their return to it . They also assert their right to normal life in Palestine and to exercise their right to self-determination and sovereignty over it.
Article 10: Commando action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution. It also requires the achieving of unity for the national (watani) struggle among the different groupings of the Palestinian people, and between the Palestinian people and the Arab masses, so as to secure the continuation of the revolution, its escalation, and victory.
Article 11:The Palestinians will have three mottos: national (wataniyya) unity, national (qawmiyya) mobilization, and liberation.
Article 12:The Palestinian people believe in Arab unity. In order to contribute their share toward the attainment of that objective, however, they must, at the present stage of their struggle, safeguard their Palestinian identity and develop their consciousness of that identity, and oppose any plan that may dissolve or impair it.
Article 13:Arab unity and the liberation of Palestine are two complementary objectives, the attainment of either of which facilitates the attainment of the other. Thus, Arab unity leads to the liberation of Palestine, the liberation of Palestine leads to Arab unity; and work toward the realization of one objective proceeds side by side with work toward the realization of the other.
Article 14:The destiny of the Arab nation, and indeed Arab existence itself, depend upon the destiny of the Palestine cause. From this interdependence springs the Arab nation's pursuit of, and striving for, the liberation of Palestine. The people of Palestine play the role of the vanguard in the realization of this sacred (qawmi) goal.
Article 15: The liberation of Palestine, from an Arab viewpoint, is a national (qawmi) duty and it attempts to repel the Zionist and imperialist aggression against the Arab homeland, and aims at the elimination of Zionism in Palestine. Absolute responsibility for this falls upon the Arab nation - peoples and governments - with the Arab people of Palestine in the vanguard. Accordingly, the Arab nation must mobilize all its military, human, moral, and spiritual capabilities to participate actively with the Palestinian people in the liberation of Palestine. It must, particularly in the phase of the armed Palestinian revolution, offer and furnish the Palestinian people with all possible help, and material and human support, and make available to them the means and opportunities that will enable them to continue to carry out their leading role in the armed revolution, until they liberate their homeland.
Article 16:The liberation of Palestine, from a spiritual point of view, will provide the Holy Land with an atmosphere of safety and tranquility, which in turn will safeguard the country's religious sanctuaries and guarantee freedom of worship and of visit to all, without discrimination of race, color, language, or religion. Accordingly, the people of Palestine look to all spiritual forces in the world for support.
Article 17:The liberation of Palestine, from a human point of view, will restore to the Palestinian individual his dignity, pride, and freedom. Accordingly the Palestinian Arab people look forward to the support of all those who believe in the dignity of man and his freedom in the world.
Article 18:The liberation of Palestine, from an international point of view, is a defensive action necessitated by the demands of self-defense. Accordingly the Palestinian people, desirous as they are of the friendship of all people, look to freedom-loving, and peace-loving states for support in order to restore their legitimate rights in Palestine, to re-establish peace and security in the country, and to enable its people to exercise national sovereignty and freedom.
Article 19: The partition of Palestine in 1947 and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time, because they were contrary to the will of the Palestinian people and to their natural right in their homeland, and inconsistent with the principles embodied in the Charter of the United Nations, particularly the right to self-determination.
Article 20: The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them, are deemed null and void. Claims of historical or religious ties of Jews with Palestine are incompatible with the facts of history and the true conception of what constitutes statehood. Judaism, being a religion, is not an independent nationality. Nor do Jews constitute a single nation with an identity of its own; they are citizens of the states to which they belong.
Article 21: The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by the armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aiming at the liquidation of the Palestinian problem, or its internationalization.
Article 22: Zionism is a political movement organically associated with international imperialism and antagonistic to all action for liberation and to progressive movements in the world. It is racist and fanatic in its nature, aggressive, expansionist, and colonial in its aims, and fascist in its methods. Israel is the instrument of the Zionist movement, and geographical base for world imperialism placed strategically in the midst of the Arab homeland to combat the hopes of the Arab nation for liberation, unity, and progress. Israel is a constant source of threat vis-a-vis peace in the Middle East and the whole world. Since the liberation of Palestine will destroy the Zionist and imperialist presence and will contribute to the establishment of peace in the Middle East, the Palestinian people look for the support of all the progressive and peaceful forces and urge them all, irrespective of their affiliations and beliefs, to offer the Palestinian people all aid and support in their just struggle for the liberation of their homeland.
Article 23: The demand of security and peace, as well as the demand of right and justice, require all states to consider Zionism an illegitimate movement, to outlaw its existence, and to ban its operations, in order that friendly relations among peoples may be preserved, and the loyalty of citizens to their respective homelands safeguarded.
Article 24:The Palestinian people believe in the principles of justice, freedom, sovereignty, self-determination, human dignity, and in the right of all peoples to exercise them.
Article 25:For the realization of the goals of this Charter and its principles, the Palestine Liberation Organization will perform its role in the liberation of Palestine in accordance with the Constitution of this Organization.
Article 26:The Palestine Liberation Organization, representative of the Palestinian revolutionary forces, is responsible for the Palestinian Arab people's movement in its struggle - to retrieve its homeland, liberate and return to it and exercise the right to self-determination in it - in all military, political, and financial fields and also for whatever may be required by the Palestine case on the inter-Arab and international levels.
Article 27:The Palestine Liberation Organization shall cooperate with all Arab states, each according to its potentialities; and will adopt a neutral policy among them in the light of the requirements of the war of liberation; and on this basis it shall not interfere in the internal affairs of any Arab state.
Article 28:The Palestinian Arab people assert the genuineness and independence of their national (wataniyya) revolution and reject all forms of intervention, trusteeship, and subordination.
Article 29:The Palestinian people possess the fundamental and genuine legal right to liberate and retrieve their homeland. The Palestinian people determine their attitude toward all states and forces on the basis of the stands they adopt vis-a-vis to the Palestinian revolution to fulfill the aims of the Palestinian people.
Article 30:Fighters and carriers of arms in the war of liberation are the nucleus of the popular army which will be the protective force for the gains of the Palestinian Arab people.
Article 31:The Organization shall have a flag, an oath of allegiance, and an anthem. All this shall be decided upon in accordance with a special regulation.
Article 32:Regulations, which shall be known as the Constitution of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, shall be annexed to this Charter. It will lay down the manner in which the Organization, and its organs and institutions, shall be constituted; the respective competence of each; and the requirements of its obligation under the Charter.
Article 33:This Charter shall not be amended save by [vote of] a majority of two-thirds of the total membership of the National Congress of the Palestine Liberation Organization [taken] at a special session convened for that purpose.
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These islamic radicals will NEVER accept parcels of land for even a temporary peace... it is not in their most basic covenant.
Israel was foolish to offer anything... and WE were wrong to insist on them doing so.
God help them extract themselves from what is going on.
It's hard to believe Arabfat would walk away from the table and into the "streets" after having been presented with such a generous offer. Clearly, only the eradication of Israel will satisfy his bloodlust. Ain't gonna happen.
Show them the way to go home!
Gee, ya think?
Palestinians and their apologists have no clue: the Palestinians have obliterated any sympathy for their "cause" with a majority of Americans, many of whom had no opinion on the Middle East whatsoever until the suicide bombers. Now? For-effing-get it.
Give an inch, take a yard? ..
Arafat thought this situation is the same as South Africa's was. Just wait out all that "homeland" offers, and eventually the interlopers will sue for peace. Then, at first, you allow most of them to hang around and run the economy, as you make life for them unbearable (ie crime escalates, etc). Eventually, most of the remaining Jews leave.
Anyway, it's just a dream.
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The best Israeli offers came even 4 months into the intifada.
As I said; give an inch, take a yard. The ISraelis, having lived here in fair numbers since before the War, know their neighbors pretty well. Force is the only thing they understand.
Is there a "moderate" among them that can represent anyone besides himself? Who can they deal with? I dont see it happening, anywhere. Look at the surrounding Arab States. Not a representative government within a thousand miles (Tunisia, maybe?). Quite nearly hopeless.. Oh well.. they certainly tried.
What the Pallies really hated about the Barak offers was that they still would not get control over the borders of the West Bank. Even after getting 90% of the land of the West Bank. Israel would never let them control borders until the Pallies demonstrated peaceful intent. Because Pallies would just be bringing in weaponry like there is no tomorrow.
The way I see it what the Pallies are demanding a Palestinian state that they can arm to the hilt without Israeli interference. Everyone knows why the Pallies would want to be armed to the max and that is to wage further war on Israel. With a Palestinian state being just way a station on the road to destruction of Israel.
FWIW, I used to be a supporter of the peace process and felt that the "land for peace" strategy was the right thing to do.
To those who say it was doomed to failure from the start, well hindsight is always 20/20 vision. Rabin made the immensely risky but morally courageous decision to try for a peace deal even before the Palestinians were ready finally to accept Israel, and Barak went even further.
I am sorry to say this but now the Palestinians are suffering for their poor decisions, and I believe they should be made to suffer more, until they come to their senses.
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Were the borders of the United States, India, Pakistan, Colonial Africa, Asia and South America determined by International consensus. No, only by decree of the determining entity who held the most power backed by threat of overwhelming force.
I have never understood why the Jews have taken so long (and three wars + 2 intifadas) to realize this fact, and far too late to act on the principle. The use of overwhelming force is the only valid method of dealing with their intractable Arab foe. They could have simply annexed all post-67 land and have been done with it. But they diddled and dawldled and wrung their hands with false guilt, and now, after giving back the Sinai and accepting further land theft through "negotiation", Israel STILL finds itself an International pariah, compared--on Brian Williams' show tonight--to Milosevic and the Taliban, by Abdel Rahman (with 5 sec of response time for Dore Gold generously allowed by Williams).
I do not see any downside of ignoring the U.N./Arab/Powell "consensus" for widthdrawl. The "upside" of further land theft, a hostile, sovereign enemy state next door, and an Arab world which will never give up until Israel is destroyed, is simply not worth it.
But if they gave him the border, could he sign a deal that didnt allow for the Law of Return, which was promised by the UN ? I think it would still have been a deal breaker. That Pallestine Charter is such a precious thing.
You nailed it.
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In a way it's common sense. They wanted and still want a West Bank that is 100% theirs to do with what they will. Including arming themselves as well as possible for further war against Israel. All 3rd world nations arm themselves even if their people go hungry. Why would Arafat and company be any different? Arafat calls himself general Arafat and used to wear military outfits. Damn straight he would love to have his Pallies armed to the hilt!
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