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To: LarryLied
The idea of "hate" crimes is very scary. Maybe even more scary than the anti-Jewish and anti-Christian attitudes of so many Muslims living in the West.
18 posted on 04/14/2002 2:22:40 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: Michael2001
The idea of "hate" crimes is very scary. Maybe even more scary than the anti-Jewish and anti-Christian attitudes of so many Muslims living in the West.

Got it in one, Michael2001 - while everyone else on this thread was refighting tired old fights about Israel and "antisemitism" and the like, you noticed what this story was about: more laws against "hate speach" and "hate crimes". Notice how slippery they are when implying that one very extreme point of view is equivalent to committing actual crimes. These people don't just want to punish you for the crime you commit, they don't just want to punish you more severely for that crime because you did it due to "hate", they also want to punish and censor you for merely stating your opinions about an important political issue, whether you commit a "hate crime" or not. Simply saying something which offends certain people is a "hate crime" according to them. That's the real point of this story, and the real danger.

21 posted on 04/14/2002 4:38:40 PM PDT by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Michael2001
The idea of "hate" crimes is very scary. Maybe even more scary than the anti-Jewish and anti-Christian attitudes of so many Muslims living in the West.

At least with the latter group, it is a stand up fight and everyone knows where they stand. Hate crime law is so vague and subjective it creates a climate of fear which allows some very bad actors to take over political systems and rot them from within.

35 posted on 04/16/2002 1:30:18 PM PDT by LarryLied
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