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Socialism USA
Communist Party USA ^ | January 1, 1996 | Gus Hall

Posted on 04/13/2002 2:10:47 PM PDT by rapsux

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To: glockmeister40
Never believe a leader who promises utopia.

Because it takes totalitarianism to guarantee "utopia."

21 posted on 04/13/2002 3:13:06 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: glockmeister40
Renewal and extension of democracy;
What the hell does this double speak mean?

It means the tyranny of the majority in all aspects of life. "Extension" means that people you don't know or care about will all have an equal say, and veto power, over aspects of your life that should be none of their business. Such as determining what your "needs" really are, or whether the business you wish to start is "needed" or not by the community (to whom all is owed, after all), or whether the house you want to build is "too big", or blocks somebody's view, or threatens land set aside for a mosquito preserve. Nobody will be able to do anything at all without first getting permission from absolutely everybody else. Life in the USA will be one vast eternal committee-meeting.

Some people think that sounds like heaven.

22 posted on 04/13/2002 3:14:30 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: rapsux
Ok, I've been meaning to write something on this subject for some time and this seems to be the right opportunity.

First and foremost, it's not "capitalism" that the communists/socialists/Democrats have a problem with - but rather "fascism". Fascism is, briefly stated, the "unholy alliance" between government and big business. And what could be a better example of such an unholy alliance than Bill Clinton's attempt to pacify Monica Lewinsky by obtaining a corporate position for her at Revlon. Another classic example is that of politically connected business leaders who are allowed to take nuclear "nation buster" submarines for personal joyrides (much to the dismay of any shipboard Japanese students who happen to be in the way).

When obviously worthless dumb-asses...like that guy who ran Enron into the ground...find themselves at the helm of multi-billion dollar public corporations, then you can just bet that you're no longer living in Kansas anymore, but rather in that wretched stew of public/private corruption that is fascism. The geenies see fascism and don't like it, and any non-corrupt conservative who sees it won't like it either.

Capitalism, on the other hand, is no guaranteed blessing to the business person. Every night the small shop or restaurant owner goes to bed wracking his or her brain for any strategy that might result in more and happier customers. For this reason capitalism is a more faithful friend to common citizen than any other economic system - more faithful even than the family dog.

I'm a pure capitalist, and I can tell you that I rise every morning and go to bed every night, focused on the singular goal of how might I make my existing and prospective customers more happy - how might I better serve you? This preoccupation is indeed the curse of true capitalism.

If America wants to become socialist or communist then I would invite any American reading this to do that very thing by voting straight Democrat and/or Communist in our public elections. I have for years sworn that I would recover the tennis serve that I lost when leaving High School, and when the opportunity to do business is no longer available to me then that's excatly what I'll do - that and of course cozy up as necessary to the politicos who come into power.

And you, America, rather than dealing with the "capitalist" who rises in the morning and goes to bed in the evening with no thought other than achieving your satisfaction and happiness, will instead deal exclusively with the worthless n'er-do-well bureaucrats with whom we are all already much too familiar.

Go ahead, make my day!


23 posted on 04/13/2002 3:15:04 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: moodyskeptic
A good read: The Politics of Bad Faith by David Horowitz. He reveals how the American Left simply ignores recent history (sort of like the stubborn Clinton supporters we know and love). David Horowitz is great. I read Radical Son and Destructive Generation. I enjoyed both. He made things crystal clear. No more ambiguity about the left's intentions, or methods.
24 posted on 04/13/2002 3:21:01 PM PDT by rapsux
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To: Sam Cree
"We've come quite a bit further down the road toward the horrors of socialism than many of us realize".

That is a serious understatement!Read this Quote:


ALL TIME CHILLING QUOTE OF THE DAY :
The American People Will Never Knowingly Adopt Socialism,
But Under The Name of Liberalism
They Will Adopt Every Fragment Of The Socialist Program
Until One Day America Will Be A Socialist Nation
Without Ever Knowing How It Happened----

Norman Thomas, 6-Time Socialist Party Presidential Candidate
And One Of The Founders Of The ACLU.

Take a look at what the "Left" represents and read that again.People need to talk about statements like this.There it is, now the Question should be "What can I do to change the course/minds of my Elected Officials"?We ALL should be wondering what the heck is going on!

25 posted on 04/13/2002 3:34:27 PM PDT by Pagey
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To: Texas_Longhorn
MAybe we Capitalists believe that man has original sin and such notions such as socialism are a pipe dream for "Utopians".

Does anyone else find it ironic that the so called Socialists want to take EVERYONES freedom away? If Humankind was such a great bunch, why would we NEED to be controlled by a centralized group?

I think most people are stupid but I let them live how they want for the most part. Liberals think that everyone(Except us, LOL!) is so great but they wish to enslave the entire world. They TRULY are a bizarre lot.

I had a conversation with two of my employees today. It was about Communism believe it or not. One is a retired Harvard Law Review worker(ARRGH!!), and one is a student. The student said it would be NICE to have Communism if it could work. Of course, the Harvard whacko agreed.

I told them a story about when I was in the Military, there were five of us who received the SAME pay. On of us would stand watchs for other people or sew insignias, etc. Of course, he got payed for these things. I asked them if the rest of us should have taken that persons extra money by force after he had done these services for us. THey said of course not but since we had all received the same pay that it was not relevant to our conversation.

What the HELL do they think Capitalism is anyway? It is free-trade for gods sake! If some pizza guy works his ass off to make 1000 pizzas a day and then sells them, should he have to give the product of his efforts to other less fortunate pizza makers? Why should he? I asked if I could move into her house since I rent. You know, we are all a bunch of brothers and sisters, etc. She said that she "lived in a capitalist country". Are these people daft? Even if we lived in a Commie hellhole, some people would always be more enterprising and then we would have a black market. Why cant these damn people at least be honest about it?

Lets say we all got 100 pounds of rice and some money every month. What is to stop me from eating less and selling my surplus? Why is that action immoral to them?

What I find most amusing is that most of these "Socialists" are among the sleaziest most corrupt people alive that loot and steal and then call me who merely wishes to work hard and make money evil. THEY are the true evil. Socialism and Communism both do one thing, they murder the human spirit and IMHO they are the most despicable concepts alive in the modern world.

Cheers for Capitalism!!!

26 posted on 04/13/2002 3:35:00 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: rapsux
"They have our very own, customized utopia planned for us".

They sure as H___ do!

27 posted on 04/13/2002 3:36:22 PM PDT by Pagey
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To: The Duke
IMHO, Fascism IS at least Liberal. I live near Boston and all of the Liberal business up here LOVE all that bullshit because thier Dem friends give THEM the tax cuts and let small business men such as myself flounder.

Worthless... if they finally win, there will be a new revolution. If that doesn not occur, I will just be a criminal. It will not be difficult when such a Utopia will be populated by morons and leechs. Either way, Capitalism CAN NOT die because it is NOT an ideaology, it is the fact that Human beings strive to make things better. Humans strive for acheivement. These people strive for slavery and they do not even know it.

28 posted on 04/13/2002 3:45:04 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Pagey
I pray more and more people wake up and see what's happening.
29 posted on 04/13/2002 3:45:41 PM PDT by rapsux
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To: Arioch7
I'm from Mass. and I'm glad to hear a statement from you because I agree with you 100%.This Kennedy/Kerry bull has got to go.They are just milking the system by giving out free candy for all of the deadbeats/losers who don't have a life.I don't mind giving but don't threaten me with prison because I can't afford it!
30 posted on 04/13/2002 4:05:57 PM PDT by taxtruth
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To: taxtruth
Glad to see a fellow Mass citizen but sorry you have to live here. :D

They just get dumber and dumber up here. We lost 82000 cars being shipped here because of a federal harbor tax that Rhode Island dismantled. Volkswagon was the company. So, after they lose all of this revenue, what do they do? Petition the Fed to MAKE RI institute the harbor tax.

Every time these idiots raise the cigarette tax, hundreds of thousands of people go to NH to buy cigs, AGAIN depriving Mass of revenue. What do they do, tax them more to make up the difference. The stupidity of our leaders would be amusing if we did not have to live here.

31 posted on 04/13/2002 4:13:04 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Arioch7
I'm looking for property on the border of N.H.as we speak because of the nonsense that is going on in Ma.N.H.is a bargain for people who work in Boston which I do.Goodbye Plymouth because the pilgrims would puke at what is going on in Mass.Don't even get me started on the big dig/big con game!
32 posted on 04/13/2002 4:23:36 PM PDT by taxtruth
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To: rapsux
We Communists believe that socialism is the very best replacement for a capitalist system that has served its purpose, but no longer meets the needs and requirements of the great majority of our people.

Freedom will bury you -- over the long haul of time.

33 posted on 04/13/2002 5:14:22 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: rapsux
BORG ALERT. If this plan succeeds, we will all be assimilated... It would be funny if it wasn't so scary!
34 posted on 04/13/2002 5:19:41 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: rapsux
Production increases much faster than under capitalism, with a planned economy, advancement of science and technology, and the protection and preservation of our environment and natural resources

This the big lie. Production always decreases in a socialist economy because there is little incentive to work harder or be innovative. There has never been a successful socialist society. Socialism is born out of jealousy. Nothing good can come from it.

35 posted on 04/13/2002 5:53:03 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Pagey
I like your quote. I look around and sometimes believe that the U.S.A. is already socialist.
36 posted on 04/13/2002 6:02:35 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Arioch7
Capitalism CAN NOT die because it is NOT an ideaology

You're right, I think. Socialism is a specific ideology with specific rules. Capitalism, like freedom, is the opposite, there are no rules, just opportunity.

37 posted on 04/13/2002 6:08:18 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
The founders had it right,you can be a have or a have not but,you cannot put the haves with the havenots in a community because it won't work!I have learned this in Ma. via housing.Make your own way and stop crying because that is the American way!Stop looking for a hand out unless you are a vet which I will gladly give to.
40 posted on 04/13/2002 7:14:17 PM PDT by taxtruth
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