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Arise Polish pretender to Stuart crown (Peter Pininski heir to Bonnie Prince Charlie?)
Scotsman.com ^ | 4/14/02 | STEPHEN FRASER

Posted on 04/13/2002 7:59:24 PM PDT by LarryLied

HE sounds like a man who still cannot fully believe what he has discovered.

After five years of detailed research, Peter Pininski - a Scottish-Polish art historian - claims to have proved that he is a direct descendent of Bonnie Prince Charlie.

His path through his family tree involves multiple illegitimate births, changes of names and adoptions, to provide proof, he claims, that his great-great-great-great grandmother, Marie-Victoire de Rohan, was Bonnie Prince Charlie’s grand-daughter.

Speaking exclusively to Scotland on Sunday of his search, which is detailed in a book to be published later this month, Pininski said: "I suppose I was unnerved at times during my research - there were a large number of very important pieces of evidence almost dropping into my hands. Many times I found myself thinking, ‘come on, sober up.’"

But Pininski found that the evidence, even after repeated scrutiny, led to the conclusion that he was related to Charlotte Stuart, the illegitimate daughter of Bonnie Prince Charlie.

The 46-year-old started researching his background after spotting a portrait of a beautiful woman on the wall of an aunt’s house in southern Poland.

He spent five years raking through 22 archives in seven countries seeking to uncover the history of the woman in the painting, his great-great-great-great grandmother, who went by the name of Marie de Thorigny.

He says he has found evidence that suggests de Thorigny was not her real name, that it had been changed to cover up the fact she was the product of an illicit affair between Charlotte Stuart and a prominent churchman, Cardinal Frederick de Rohan.

She was then raised as part of another family in a bid to escape the stigma of her true parentage. This obscured her link with Charlotte and the Stuart dynasty and helped her escaped the attention of history.

His claim is consistent with what historians have long believed could have happened to the Scottish Royal line.

It is generally accepted that Bonnie Prince Charlie fled to Europe after the disaster at Culloden and married Princess Louise of Stolberg, a barren relationship that led the Prince to form a relationship with Clementina Walkinshaw, who bore him Charlotte Stuart.

Historians agree that Charlotte probably had children, but Pininski is the first to document their identities and trace their descendants, in his book The Stuarts’ Last Secret.

Owen Dudley Edwards, a history lecturer from Edinburgh University, said it was perfectly possible that Pininski was, as he claims, a descendant of Bonnie Prince Charlie.

"There have been rumours for years that Charlotte Stuart, who looked after the prince in his old age and who was claimed as his child, had children of her own," he said. "And there were rumours about Cardinal de Rohan and his involvement in affairs."

But he questioned whether Pininski had any claim to the British throne.

"This is all very interesting but it will not make one bit of difference. Elizabeth is looking very comfortable on the throne," he said.

Edinburgh-based writer Michael Stewart, who also claims to be a direct descendent of Bonnie Prince Charlie and the rightful heir to the crown of Scotland, dismissed the importance of Pininski’s claim.

The self-styled Prince Michael of Albany said: "There are 1,500 legitimate descendants of James VI and they all have a better claim to the throne than the Queen.

"My claim is based on primogeniture, that I came from the first born and am therefore first in line."

Pininski himself has no plans to press his claim to the throne and has declared himself satisfied by uncovering the secrets of his family. He said: "I would dearly like to stay right away from Stuart claimant-type charlatanism, because it’s not what I find interesting."



TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: polish; scotland

1 posted on 04/13/2002 7:59:25 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Why on earth would anyone want to be decended from Bonnie Prince Charlie? The boy was a loser.
2 posted on 04/13/2002 8:18:04 PM PDT by Grut
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To: LarryLied
"I would dearly like to stay right away from Stuart claimant-type charlatanism, because it’s not what I find interesting."

No finer or funnier way to respond to a pompous twit, than with mild indifference!

Andrew

3 posted on 04/13/2002 8:18:12 PM PDT by Andy Ross
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To: LarryLied
Sorry im no Jacobite the act of settlement barred any Catholics from the throne.
4 posted on 04/13/2002 8:36:58 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Grut
Because he has delusions of being King of England.
5 posted on 04/13/2002 8:41:07 PM PDT by weikel
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To: LarryLied
They've never counted illegitimate sons or daughters of a king as having a claim to the throne, or the Duke of Monmouth might have become king instead of James VII & II. Prince William and Prince Henry are descended through their mother from an illegitimate child of King Charles II, the older brother of Bonnie Prince Charlie's grandfather, so that should trump any claim this guy could make.

I believe that the Wittelsbachs of Bavaria have the best claim on strictly genealogical grounds, if the rule excluding Catholics were ignored.

Idi Amin once claimed to be the uncrowned King of Scotland, but I've never seen any genealogical evidence offered in support. Maybe he claims descent from the Black Douglas.

6 posted on 04/13/2002 8:55:50 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
And what is your interest in all this? You sure know more than the average peasant.
7 posted on 04/13/2002 9:12:24 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Interesting post. Black Douglas ? (Guffaw)
8 posted on 04/13/2002 10:02:42 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: LarryLied
My father's sister researched our family, I have the papers, I have the proof... I am related to George Washinton, Bell Starr, Mary Todd Lincoln, Dolly Madison, King John and all the Brit. royals (YUCK!!!!), and Isaac Ryan who died at the Alamo on the north wall near the cannon. I have a 1/2 Cherokee great grandmother who had olive skin, black hair, blue eyes, tall statuesque woman who smoked a pipe and played an accordian... I have a black slave ancestor, Rufus Hargrove. And we had people on both sides of Rev. War and Civil War. It is all very interesting, but I still have to put a dollar with it to buy a coke. If we ever get our slave reparations, yeee hawww! Just because I am lily white skinned, blue eyed, doesn't matter. ha ha ha
9 posted on 04/14/2002 6:14:01 AM PDT by buffyt
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Grandpa did a lot of genealogical research, and he traced our family lineage back to Noah. We all got a laugh out of that, but Noah was probably comforted to know where his children are.
10 posted on 04/14/2002 6:24:37 AM PDT by patton
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To: buffyt
Royalty! And a heritage of which to be proud. My great-grandfather was a Baron but unfortunately the guy he worked for made him wear a helmet with a spike on it.
11 posted on 04/14/2002 7:06:59 AM PDT by LarryLied
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