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self | April 14, 2002 | self

Posted on 04/14/2002 1:56:04 PM PDT by SpyderTim

Lucent to Cut 5,000 More Jobs - Source Reuters | April 11, 2002 | Ben Klayman

Posted on 4/12/02 11:59 PM Pacific by SpyderTim

Lucent to Cut 5,000 More Jobs - Source Thu Apr 11, 4:28 PM ET By Ben Klayman CHICAGO (Reuters) - Telecommunications equipment maker Lucent Technologies Inc. plans to cut about 5,000 more jobs than previously expected by the end of June because of the slowdown in the telecom sector, a source close to the company said on Thursday.

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Just got to thinking, with the economy supposedly recovering, and layoffs continuing all around us, how many Freepers are currently out of work? How are they finding the job market?

1 posted on 4/12/02 11:59 PM Pacific by SpyderTim [ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

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Luckily the coapany I worked for Did Good and accelerated my options when I was voluntarily laid off. Job market is pretty bad out there in high tech (programming). At one time or another 10 friends of mine were laid off this past year.

2 posted on 4/13/02 8:31 AM Pacific by lelio [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

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Just got to thinking, with the economy supposedly recovering, and layoffs continuing all around us, how many Freepers are currently out of work? How are they finding the job market?

Agreed. I know more people in the last year that have gotten laid off, and have remained laid off, than I do those who had no work and found it. This "recovery" is pure fabrication and spin pushed by the WH. The facts are that over half the new jobs created are being done by the government! GDP has increased primarily because of government spending!

Smoke and mirrors.

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My company announced its office relocation way back in April of 2001. My last day was November 30. I've been networking and interviewing since then but haven't found quite what I'm looking for yet. It's not a bad job market if you know what you are doing, but it isn't as good as when I first graduate from college in 2000 either.

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1 posted on 04/14/2002 1:56:04 PM PDT by SpyderTim
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To: SpyderTim
This "recovery" is pure fabrication and spin pushed by the WH. The facts are that over half the new jobs created are being done by the government! GDP has increased primarily because of government spending!

I think the robustness of the recovery depends on what area of the country you are in and what industry. Home construction never slowed down. Defense manufacturing is booming, especially things like smart bombs. Things related to homeland defense (although primarily government) are booming. Consumer products in general are doing well. High tech (especially broadband and other telecommunications) are in the tank.

2 posted on 04/14/2002 2:23:53 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: SpyderTim
Yeah I hear ya. I'm on my 3rd telecom startup in 2 years. I have seen dozens of friends come and go. Telecom has lost .5 million jobs in the last 18 months. One of the largest reversals in American business history...
3 posted on 04/14/2002 2:30:43 PM PDT by witnesstothefall
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To: SpyderTim
SpyderTim,
If you are in the telecom sector, it's been (and probably will continue to be)
a tough situation.

I have a cousin in Dallas (aka "Telecom Gulch"), who is a prosperous electrical engineer
doing web/database setups...but he has lots of friends/fellow engineers
that have been put on the street with the telecom meltdown.

Me, I'm in a sector of molecular biology.....stable work, only middling compensation
(partly due to the influx of every biochemist/molecular biologist from the former
USSR, Mainland China, and the British Commonwealth that can afford a plane ticket).
I'm not xenophobic, but the influx over the past 10 years probably has depressed wages for
at least the short-haul; probably will help the USA stay strong in the sector for
the long haul.

Good luck with the hunt!
4 posted on 04/14/2002 2:40:35 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Dave S
Construction of $2 million vacation homes is booming in Cashiers, NC.

Too bad the money doesn't trickle down to us construction workers, who mostly make less than $10 per hour.

5 posted on 04/14/2002 2:42:03 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: SpyderTim
I've been out of work here in Denver since the first of the year. It really sucks. I never thought I'd be unemployed this long. My severence pay is gone and I can't get unemployment (in the face of cutbacks, I resigned voluntarily after being promised a generous severence package which I now regret doing). My credit cards are maxed and I've had to ask for a loan from my folks. I've lost count of how many resumes I've sent out.

I thought I would be working long before my severence pay ran out. That turned out not to be the case. It's tough out there. It is starting to take it's toll on my self-esteem. I am not used to not having any money. I am not used to not working. I've never been unemployed this long since I started working at 16. It is depressing to not be able to go out with friends to a resturaunt because I am broke. Or be able to go see a movie or enjoy a night on the town. I always had money in my bank account and now I can barely remember my ATM pin number.

Every Sunday I tell myself that something will pan out this week. Today I say the same thing. I hope this is the week. Please wish me luck!

7 posted on 04/14/2002 2:42:55 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kalashnikov_68
Good luck to you, mate and I hope you find something soon.

I'm just about to lose my job (next few days) and I'm not sure what to do next. I've got a mortgage and a wife to support and my car just broke down and needs £1900 worth of repairs. Bugger.

I work(ed) in the internet industry and have ASP, HTML, JavaScript, SQL Server, IIS etc and thought I was OK, but there's been a real downturn in such jobs in the last year. Things ain't looking good, to be honest.

8 posted on 04/14/2002 2:59:42 PM PDT by Da_Shrimp
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To: SpyderTim
my contract job with xerox as a tech support rep ended on 2/22 of this year (with no advanced warning). i don't even have an associates degree (although every job i've had, i always ran rings around those with even a bachelor's or master's right from the "git go"). so basically, i'm screwed. i'm taking a networking, A+ course. i've heard that A+ people are a dime a dozen, but, i figure, while i'm unemployed, i'll sign up to finish up an associates in computer science and move on to a bachelor's, since this is the ONLY thing employers look at nowadays. upstate NY sucks! even contract and temp agencies have nothing.
9 posted on 04/14/2002 2:59:44 PM PDT by bandlength
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To: Kalashnikov_68
I do wish you luck. If you are over 40, you will need it. If you are over 50, welcome to Bleak Horizons.
10 posted on 04/14/2002 3:00:31 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Kalashnikov_68
Question for you: What are you willing to do? Are you willing to work only in your particular field? Have you thought about working in any other industry? If you have considered other fields, what are they? Did you work in the public or private sector? The purpose of my questions is simply to gauge what willingness there is to pursue different fields....among some of my friends and acquaintances, there is an irrational attitude that "they will find something in their field." Don't mean to get personal. On a positive note, there is more to life than money. Having your health, having good family relationships, having good friends (who understand your current situation) are all more important than whether you can go out to dinner with them, $$$, etc. I hope that you have all of these good fortunes, during this time of upheaval and later!!!
11 posted on 04/14/2002 3:08:48 PM PDT by RightOnGOP
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To: gcruse
There are several things you can and should do to protect your future employment.

1. Always look for a job, even if you are happy with the one you have. No one plans to get layed off. If you already know where you can go you are way ahead of the rest.

2. Never let your resume sit for more than a few weeks with out at least a review. It's much easier to work on a resume when you are not freaked out over having just lost your job. It also makes it easier to move to a position within the same company. While others prepare you can apply.

3. Keep in touch with past co-worker and never, ever burn bridges. You never know who you will meet at you next job.

In addition, always live below your means. Save what you can. Don't charge things you can't afford. Minimize your debt.

12 posted on 04/14/2002 3:09:24 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Kalashnikov_68
i hear ya. i've been in the same boat. some advice: check to make sure your old job is not giving bad references or sounding suspicious when potential employers call in for a reference. this happened to me during the so called "good economy." i voluntarily resigned from a lucrative gov't. job in 10/98 because of the horrific fraud going on. what i didn't know is that the HR people for almost TWO YEARS were violently hanging up/sounding "suspicious" on any and all potential employers that were calling in for a reference.

needless to say, i was getting mighty discouraged as EVERY job interview i went to (probably about 60 of them that i thought were going extremely well) just dropped off the face of the earth after they started checking references!

until this day (and i am once again unemployed from a temp job), i have not had a "real job" but just sporadic temp jobs.

i had to take my last $89 and get an "agency" to investigate and eventually find out the games my old job was playing.

the post above was correct about continual education! since today's bachelor's is equivalent to the late 70's 10th grade education, you need to get a degree.

keep your chin up!

13 posted on 04/14/2002 3:10:17 PM PDT by bandlength
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To: gcruse
amen on that one. i am 41 years old, although i'm told by many that i look 30; that didn't help anyways at my job because, even though i was making employee of the month (as a temp) for the past 8 months, once the people who extend the contracts found out my birthdate, it was all over. i noticed that my co-workers who came in around the same time as i did (18 month contract) and were over 35 got the boot. my mgr was 25 with a bachelor's degree and knew nothing about management. BTW they extended my 20 year old daughter's contract! (LOL! we were doing the same job together)
14 posted on 04/14/2002 3:18:04 PM PDT by bandlength
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To: Dutch Boy
You left out "Get younger." ;)
15 posted on 04/14/2002 3:26:00 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Kalashnikov_68
i hear ya. i've been in the same boat. some advice: check to make sure your old job is not giving bad references or sounding suspicious when potential employers call in for a reference. this happened to me during the so called "good economy." i voluntarily resigned from a lucrative gov't. job in 10/98 because of the horrific fraud going on. what i didn't know is that the HR people for almost TWO YEARS were violently hanging up/sounding "suspicious" on any and all potential employers that were calling in for a reference.

Did unemployment in the 70's. I was out for three years after the free markets determined that we did not need a steel industry. On the job disputes were settled with yelling and fists. There is a certain clean quality to that.

I hate to say this but I enjoyed it. ( Had a working wife ) At least now, Jimmy f'n Carter is not in the WH. I finally took a government job. Yes, it is as pathetic as everyone suspects. If you have balls, move somewhere warm and hustle. If not, get something "secure" and learn to swallow your own vomit.

16 posted on 04/14/2002 3:49:11 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Kalashnikov_68
My severence pay is gone and I can't get unemployment (in the face of cutbacks, I resigned voluntarily after being promised a generous severence package which I now regret doing).

I wouldnt be so sure about that. I got the ax back in 75 and I was given the opportunity to make it voluntary. I had to wait four weeks or so but they did pay unemployment. Check it out to make sure.

17 posted on 04/14/2002 4:05:43 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: bandlength
Is it your age or income? My brother-in-law lost his job before Christmas last year. He was with the company for nine years and was one of their senior people. He is convinced that it was because his income was almost double the income of the lower seniority (and much younger) workers that the company kept. He still hasn't found a full-time job, but is going to school to get his bachelors degree.

Hopefully, the economy will pick up. I wish you the best of luck!

19 posted on 04/14/2002 4:12:15 PM PDT by fellowpatriot
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To: Dave S
I think the robustness of the recovery depends on what area of the country you are in and what industry.

I think that's always true. This part of the country was in economic free-fall in the 90s and it's getting worse ---but in some ways because it's always bad it's easier than living where things were good and now are getting bad.

20 posted on 04/14/2002 4:25:43 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: alien
And then there's the biggie! If the government lost the ability to fund itself without coming to the American people for those funds, first, would America even function?

Nope it would not function. There are way too many people who depend on government handouts ---and professions like health care would completely collapse if they had to depend on private money. Many grocery stores have most shoppers who are using food stamps and WIC and would shut their doors in one day if the government didn't pay those.

21 posted on 04/14/2002 4:33:20 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: witnesstothefall; SPyderTim; VOA
How ironic it was to see this post about unemployed Freepers. Friday was my last day at work after several years with VoiceStream Wireless in customer service management.

VoiceStream laid off everyone in customer service in the Louisville KY, Memphis TN, and Birmingham AL markets, and moved the responsibilities thereof to existing positions in Dallas TX and Jacksonville FL. And they gave us a grand total of nine days' notice that we were going to be kicked to the curve.

The severance package they are offering leaves a lot to be desired; they told us that our employee plans on our VoiceStream phones would be terminated with us (and that we would have to go through a credit check if we wanted to keep the phone); and they told us not to bother using any remaining VoiceStream employees as references, because company policy would not allow them to give us letters of recommendation.

Right now, I am contemplating whether I should go and sign up for unemployment. I have never been on unemployment for one day in my life, and don't like the entire concept. However, friends are telling me that I should do it because I pay into the system. I have a job possibility in sales with one company who has contacted me, but I have never done sales before. My degree is in communications and my work has always been in customer service and communications. I am looking for work in the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky area. Any advice ???

22 posted on 04/14/2002 4:38:53 PM PDT by RonPaulLives
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To: VOA
Me, I'm in a sector of molecular biology.....stable work, only middling compensation

I graduated from Revelle College, UCSD in 1976 with a BA in Molecular Biology. Job prospects were not great at the time. I headed to grad school to pursue an MS in pathogenic bacteriology. Along the way, I decided that the rewards of smelling agar cooking in the lab, writing research papers and drawing a small income didn't make sense. The local FCC office fixed me up with a First Class Radiotelephone license with RADAR endorsement for a couple nights of study and 45 minutes sitting for the exam. 25 years later, my bookshelves are loaded with EE and CS texts. Having a cross functional set of skills in hardware and software engineering is a great way to dodge unemployment. There is always something interesting available and it usually pays fairly well.

23 posted on 04/14/2002 4:41:18 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: SpyderTim
I still dont see it letting up. Every day, I read about another plant closing and moving to mexico or canada. The programming industry is hiring lots of immigrants, and the auto companies are full of immigrants and H1-B visa people. Ive seen lots of american laid off, but very few immigrants are being laid off.
24 posted on 04/14/2002 4:48:08 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: Kalashnikov_68; Southack
I've been out of work here in Denver since the first of the year. It really sucks. I never thought I'd be unemployed this long. My severence pay is gone and I can't get unemployment (in the face of cutbacks, I resigned voluntarily after being promised a generous severence package which I now regret doing). My credit cards are maxed and I've had to ask for a loan from my folks. I've lost count of how many resumes I've sent out.

Can you program (efficiently and well) in Java?

25 posted on 04/14/2002 4:52:16 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: gcruse
I'm over 50 and will lose my job soon. My last company left for Mexico then on to China. Two of my sons and a daughter-in-law are losing their jobs for the same reason...Mexico. They have more education than I do and my age is a factor whether people admit it or not. I hope I'm not reduced to being a greeter at Walmart! I can't live on the money so will have to work several jobs.
26 posted on 04/14/2002 4:57:31 PM PDT by Jaidyn
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To: bandlength
The company that writes my paycheck every two weeks doesn't care about age. I expect to work until I expire with my face planted in a keyboard. The key issue is having a good resume and the actual ability to make good on the claims in the resume. My company had me contracted out at $254/hr between June 2001 and December 2001. The customer employed my services to replace 4 Java programmers, 3 C++ programmers and a EE...concurrently. I'm on my second extension with the customer this year. The next 30 days have been arranged so that I can work from my home office in Idaho instead of 7 days at week at the customer's lab. I put in about 250 hours each month to cover all those positions on the very aggressive schedule that my customer is pushing.

I've been lining up new work for the balance of this year that I can do at the home office. I expect to transition off the crazy schedule with my current customer and work more normal hours for the balance of the year.

About the age issue: I'm 45. I've been working at this pace most of my life. I earned that BA in Molecular Biology from UCSD at age 19.

27 posted on 04/14/2002 4:58:04 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: waterstraat
The programming industry is hiring lots of immigrants, and the auto companies are full of immigrants and H1-B visa people. Ive seen lots of american laid off, but very few immigrants are being laid off.

I agree. I was laid off last June. I was able to get contract work for 2 months. The company I contracted for places ads in the paper for jobs that do not exist in order to satisfy a government requirement so that they can keep their H-1B employees. A lot of American engineers have been screwed out of their jobs and their careers thanks to our representatives in Congress.
28 posted on 04/14/2002 5:02:43 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: Lazamataz
Can you program (efficiently and well) in Java?

Sadly, no. But I'm a quick learner. My last job (which I had for four years) was as a supervisor for an international call center. I supervised the office here in Denver and the one remotely in Vancouver over an EIC (phone via WAN) system. I also served on a team that wrote code for our active desktop applications but it was all in HTML and XML. No Java experience. Maybe it is time to get some.

29 posted on 04/14/2002 5:03:10 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: waterstraat
The programming industry is hiring lots of immigrants, and the auto companies are full of immigrants and H1-B visa people.

Agreed. My current customer is financed by the auto industry. There are more non-citizens in the building than otherwise. Don't let that get you down. The 4 Java programmers I replaced (Vietnamese, Korean and 2 Indian) weren't worth their salaries. I accomplished more in the two weeks following their departure than all four had accomplished collectively in the 9 months prior. They were all very nice people who couldn't code their way out of a paper bag.

30 posted on 04/14/2002 5:05:38 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Jaidyn
Even if you wanted, you can't go to Mexico and get your job back ---they don't allow immigration. This town lost 12000 jobs to NAFTA and yet more people come from Mexico than ever. I don't see how it can continue.
32 posted on 04/14/2002 5:08:53 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Myrddin
There are more non-citizens in the building than otherwise. Don't let that get you down.

It's interesting because so many companies are hiring cheaper immigrants and laying off Americans. The quality is going down ---homes built by illegals usually cost as much or more to the buyer but you see cupboards being hung crookedly and nails sticking out of walls. I guess it'll help in the long run because those houses aren't going to last and there will be more jobs to rebuild them ---unlike the way homes used to be built and they would last 50 years or more.

34 posted on 04/14/2002 5:15:47 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Kalashnikov_68
I'm taking a Java class online through the university. It's rather useless but you get some exposure to Java. I have Javascript experience so it is nothing new. I installed Java on one of my test webservers and I am going to write some hooks in an Ergonomics system we are hosting on our box. Java is free and practical experience is better than college experience.

Code-wise, Java is just like any other web language (PHP, Javascript, etc). The university pushes it to the students but writes their own apps in PHP.

If you really want to learn coding, go to sourceforge.net and download one of the open-source apps and look at the code. Change the code and watch what happens.

35 posted on 04/14/2002 5:17:42 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Kalashnikov_68
Prayers and good luck to you, and any others! Go get'em. JL
37 posted on 04/14/2002 5:19:34 PM PDT by lodwick
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To: alien
If government spending even went on but had to be cut 10% across the board, I think there would be serious reprecussions. The government dependents will take to the streets because they've become so accustomed to having everything they want. If they had to cut back like unemployed working people do, they'd riot.
38 posted on 04/14/2002 5:19:41 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: AppyPappy
If you really want to learn coding, go to sourceforge.net

Thanks for the great link. I'm looking forward to playing around with it.

39 posted on 04/14/2002 5:22:13 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: alien
NAFTA is definitely the problem here in this part of the country along with very high levels of immigration. It might not be a problem in other areas though ---I'm just speaking from what I know by where I'm living. When we lost 12000 jobs, more businesses left and grocery store chains are closing. They aren't bringing in many jobs to replace those lost so there is a crisis. Our crisis was already occuring when the rest of the country was doing great.
40 posted on 04/14/2002 5:22:54 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: ALL

Thanks Everyone!!!

Thank you all for the many kind words and encouragement. I'll post a vanity once I find employment to help encourage others facing difficult times such as these.

Drew

41 posted on 04/14/2002 5:25:08 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Myrddin
Thanks for the info and sage advice (in all your posts).
Good to hear how the world works outside the academic cloister.
42 posted on 04/14/2002 5:25:33 PM PDT by VOA
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To: FITZ
For the past year I had a wonderful job.. I'm working on ASP, HTML, Javascript, Etc... I just got my diploma (bachelors). I may go for my masters or Certification. I see this as job security... I also want to keep on learning new things. Which is the best way to keep your job.
44 posted on 04/14/2002 5:26:35 PM PDT by KevinDavis
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To: alien
America has a BIG problem, a wopper of a problem. What's odd though is very few (or so it would seem) seem to notice it.

The only ones who know just how bad things are are those of us who have been laid off since last summer and can not find a job.

45 posted on 04/14/2002 5:30:18 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: RonPaulLives
I believe you will find that every state in the union, not to mention the fed gov, requires the EMPLOYER to pay all of the unemployment tax. I am a bookkeeper by profession and currently do my brothers payroll taxes...and both the fedgov and stategov brochures indicate it is illegal to charge or withhold unemployment taxes from the employee.

And now that you know, don't feel badly....the companies are forced by government to fund the periods of time when employees are unemployed. If I recall correctly, fedgov just upped the # of weeks you're eligible to collect.

47 posted on 04/14/2002 5:35:10 PM PDT by Rowdee
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To: alien
I know my grandfather always said that manufacturing jobs are absolutely essential to this country and service jobs depend on a healthy manufacturing base. We've let go of that which made us strong in the first place. We want to be a country of waiters and store clerks ---which are fine but you can't have only that.
48 posted on 04/14/2002 5:35:31 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: KevinDavis
I have two jobs and everytime I think about quitting my part-time job, something tells me I should keep it. I'm studying Visual C++ and Unix which are completely different fields than the one I'm currently working in. There might still be jobs in computers but it won't hurt having a solid basis in another profession. I can tell by some programs I have to deal with that the programmer knew programming but nothing about the way we have to use the applications.
50 posted on 04/14/2002 5:39:03 PM PDT by FITZ
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