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Container Ships The Next Terrorist Weapon?
NEWSMAX ^ | 4/15/02 | Dave Eberhart

Posted on 04/14/2002 5:58:25 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

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To: abwehr
GPS triggered bombs are not the same as remote control bombs. They require no follow along team to command detonate them, they are just sent out into the world of shipping and forgotten until they either detonate upon crossing a predesignated lat or lon, or are discovered. With good battery packs and redundant GPS receivers leading to multiple caps and boosters, I would estimate at least a 99% functionality rate.

In terms of the complexity of the operation needed to build and send them, the project would be many times simpler to coordinate and conduct than 9-11, which also surprised most analysts.

Since the price of ANFO is negligile, there is no point in sending out small bombs, when "super daisy cutters" are just as easy to build as small ones. The real physical damage to a city or major bridge would be so enormous from the explosion of a 40 foot long containerized super daisy cutter that huge economic damage would be unavoidable, day or night, with or without a high body count.

61 posted on 04/15/2002 9:04:21 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: abwehr;Squantos;river rat
I'm not an expert on bombs so I don't know how stable an ANFO bomb is The ANFO (ammonium nitrate/fuel oil) is completely stable, it would be premixed in 55 gallon sealed steel drums and then stacked inside the container.

but from a security stand point having a bomb traveling about unescorted and not set to explode for such a long time makes the risk of detection high. Why? Millions of anonymous cargo containers are traveling the world's oceans rails and highways every day.

The bigger the bomb the higher the risk since more people will have to be in on the production and transport of it. Not really. A half dozen men could set up an ANFO production line in a small warehouse, filling drums with mix and then stacking them into a container. When the container is filled they call the trucking company and the shipping line which are totally unwitting. They think the container is full of olive oil drums etc.

The terrorists, from past practice, would rather lose a few men to premature detonation, or post detonation capture than risk having their bomb plots be detected or foiled. That too argues against using containers for a large operation.I don't see why. They pulled off 9-11 after training 20 hijackers in the USA including ten or so 757 pilots. Filling drums of ANFO in a warehouse in the Sudan or Pakistan and loading them into a cargo container would be a snap by comparison.

62 posted on 04/15/2002 9:15:53 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: river rat
It's amazing to ponder how much of our world economy depends on mutual trust and civilized behavior.

Now that we have very clever, very evil maniacs running loose on the world stage determined to destroy the decadent West at all cost, I think actions like sending out containerized super daisy cutters are only a matter of time.

That brings us back to "nasty creeps who live in glass houses throwing pebbles at the giant who owns the rock quarry."

Throwing monkey wrenches into the running gears of the world economy is going to make the islemmings "persona non grata" in the civilized parts very fast. A disruption of world trade will mean a pinch in the USA and total disaster in the middle east, when those huge Saudi desal plants stop running, and the food ships from NZ and Australia and the USA stop arriving.

Provoking a world war with the West is simply suicidal for them. They have very few high cards. Oil we can get elsewhere or take from them. We can cut off their food and water in nothing flat, leading them to utter ruin in a matter of weeks.

63 posted on 04/15/2002 9:25:36 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
I've never been considered an alarmist...
In my earlier years - I was never known to go looking for a fight that didn't need to be fought...
But life has taught me to never ignore threats from a source capable of hurting you...

I am convinced that the Islamic world is led by lunatics that want us dead. They are capable of executing well planned and effective thrusts against our cities and infrastructure... Perhaps not enough to defeat us, but enough to kill 10s or 100s of thousands, create panic and seriously disrupt the entire planet's economy.

I fear the time has come to stop trying to "negotiate" with bastards that lie, hate and break all agreements with "infidels?... It is time to defeat these bastards - big time. We should take them seriously - and deal with them seriously. We are nearing the point where a preemptive attack on a MASSIVE scale against these bastards will be necessary -- but I fear our "leaders" are waiting for the next shoe to drop before we respond as we should have on 9-11. The lunatics appear to have been given a "mulligan" and get to take another shot at us before we cold cock them... I hope it's not my city or children that die before we decide it's time kill those crazy bastards in large numbers and reduce their cities to glowing embers.

We have not yet responded correctly to the attack against America from the Islamic world. This IS a war of culture and religious domination.....we had better respond accordingly....

I fully expect more major acts of terrorism in America... There may even be fighting in the streets.....At least this time-- I wont have to travel 10,000 miles to shoot the bastards..
Semper Fi

64 posted on 04/15/2002 10:07:48 PM PDT by river rat
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To: river rat
I just read this joke on another thread:

Arabs On Star Trek

The Saudi Ambassador to the U.N. has just finished giving a speech, and walks out into the lobby where he meets his American counterpart. They shake hands and as they walk the Saudi says, 'You know, I have just one question about what I have seen in America.'

The American says, 'Well your Excellency, anything I can do to help you I will do.'

The Saudi whispers, 'My son watches this show Star Trek and in it there are Russians and Blacks and Asians, but never any Arabs. He is very upset. He doesn't understand why there are never any Arabs in Star Trek.'

The American laughs and leans over. 'That's because it takes place in the future.'

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I agree that the islemmings are cruising for a bruising. Their 7th century worldview and blind obedience to an insane death cult has finally launched them on a collision course with the modern world. I also agree that we will probably have to give up a city before we cold cock them: pre-emptive strikes.... well I just can't see us going there.

But once they are hit, they will wilt and die as fast as a strangler vine on a tree, once the vines are all snipped at the bottom. They simply can't eat sand and drink oil.

As far as the islemmings in the West, they will be in for a very rough ride if they start using bombs on US soil and their tracks lead back to their (Saudi paid for) mosques and "cultural centers".

Ask yourself this: why are the Serbs so tough? Why were the Spanish conquistadors so tough in 1500? Why are the Russians so tough on Chechnya? If you have muslim neighbors, you either get VERY mean and tough, or you go down, either dead, or converted at swordpoint. There are no other choices, "peaceful coexistance" is not possible with the insane death cultists, who burn inside to wipe out all that is not muslim, from Christian churches to the Bamyan Buddhas.

"Radical islam is an insane death cult, and 'moderate' islam is its trojan horse in the West."

65 posted on 04/15/2002 10:34:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
You aren't wrong.

L

66 posted on 04/18/2002 6:41:45 PM PDT by Lurker
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To: Lurker
bttt
67 posted on 04/18/2002 8:05:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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