[MadIvan]

I thoroughly agree with you. One reason dear old Winston was in favour of a Jewish state was because he realised it would be an outpost of civilisation in the midst of barbarians. He thought it might help civilise the region. The neighbouring states apparently don't want to be civilised however.

I will not forget that Israel stood with the West on that black day in September. My mother was in the New York area on the day, I have other relatives who are in Manhattan all the time. Had the worst happened, there were Israeli specialists on hand to help pull them out of the rubble. The Palestinians would have danced on their graves; and indeed they did celebrate the WTC attack. For that insult alone we should be helping the Israelis grind them back into the dirt from whence they came.

Regards, Ivan

[mgc1122]

Ivan, in fact, we got to see the jublilant Pallies dancing in the streets on 09/11 ... images I will never forget. Or forgive.

[tet68]

How much peace did Israel gain by giving up Lebanon?

None.

How much peace will they gain by giving up the west bank?

None.

On to Gaza!