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Feds Own More Vehicles Than Hertz (your tax dollars at work #2)
(AP) | LARRY MARGASAK

Posted on 04/17/2002 1:23:19 PM PDT by Dallas

WASHINGTON --

The government owns more cars and trucks than Hertz does after a buildup in the 1990s that left one vehicle for every three federal employees, a White House inventory shows.

The inventory, obtained by The Associated Press, shows the federal fleet includes 602,626 vehicles for 1.78 million workers, at a cost of $2.29 billion a year.

"This is obviously the type of expenditure that will drive taxpayers crazy," said Tom Schatz, head of the budget watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste.

The Bush White House is examining the massive fleet, with an eye toward reduction.

"One's first impression ... is that the numbers seem excessive in many cases and that significant reductions may be in order," White House Budget Director Mitchell Daniels Jr. wrote in a memo asking federal agencies for an explanation.

Daniels' Office of Management and Budget compiled the figures through the end of September 2000, the latest statistical period available.

At the Energy Department, there are 15,600 full-time employees and 16,351 vehicles. The department contends the number is misleading because some vehicles are used by the 100,000 workers of agency contractors.

The Agriculture Department had a ratio of one vehicle for every 2.4 people. Other ratios include a vehicle for every 2.7 workers at the Interior and Labor departments, and a car for every 3 Justice Department workers. The Defense Department has a vehicle for every 3.7 workers, a figure that does not include military vehicles.

The fleet is larger than that of Hertz, the largest car rental company in the world. In the past year Hertz has reported 525,000 vehicles in its worldwide inventory. Company officials there said that number was reduced after the economic slowdown following the Sept. 11 attacks.

Daniels said the review is part of an effort to crack down on waste in government.

"It's not a revelation that there are major management problems and waste problems in the federal government," he said. "We're determined to get at it as soon as we can, no later than the budget submissions this fall."

Though the Energy Department feels its number of cars should be weighed in light of the large number of contract workers it uses, Secretary Spencer Abraham was nonetheless surprised at the size of the fleet and is looking for ways to reduce it, spokesman Alfonso Aguilar said.

He said the department has trucks, vans, ambulances and buses, and the vehicles are mostly at 31 sites away from Washington. Some are remote locations that use buses for transportation within a facility. The agency also transports unique items, including nuclear material.

Labor Department spokeswoman Sue Hensley said many agency vehicles are used by inspectors who check workplace and mine safety, and enforce wage-and-hour laws. Two-thirds of the department staff works away from Washington, she said.

Justice Department spokesman Mark Corallo said the bulk of agency vehicles are driven by law enforcement officers from the Border Patrol, the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Mark Pfeifle, spokesman for the Interior Department, said officials are studying ways to reduce the fleet but pointed out the agency has employees in 2,400 locations, manages 507 million acres and maintains the third largest law enforcement force in the government.

The Agriculture Department has 7,000 offices nationwide, many in rural areas and small communities, said spokeswoman Alisa Harrison. The agency also includes the Forest Service, which requires a diverse array of vehicles and a number of temporary workers, including firefighters.

Schatz, the government waste watchdog, said the fleet could be reduced by tightly regulating which federal workers receive a car and by changing government officials' attitude.

"It's easier to buy or lease a new car than figure out if you need one," he said.

Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press


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1 posted on 04/17/2002 1:23:19 PM PDT by Dallas
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To: Dallas
Though the Energy Department feels its number of cars should be weighed in light of the large number of contract workers it uses,

Why would a contract worker be given a car? They are not even employed by the government! Technically they are employed by the employement agency they are contracted through.

I wonder if vehicles own and operated by the military are included in the count. That would greatly skew the numbers I would think.

2 posted on 04/17/2002 1:29:05 PM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Dallas
A simple way to reduce the fleet in a hurry would be to require that much of the non-essential fleet of ordinary cars and twucks be NON-AIRCONDITIONED. This would dramatically reduce the demand for a gubmint vehicle by those who probably don't do anything more than drive it to and from work each day, and it would CERTAINLY reduce the impulse for "workers" to use such cars for pleasure driving on the weekend.

As a f'rinstance, most of the telephone company vehicles around here have no a/c. And you sure don't see too many of them at the kids' soccer meets on Saturday mornings.

Michael

3 posted on 04/17/2002 1:31:20 PM PDT by Wright is right!
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To: Dallas
Another Hertz donut from those generous feds.
5 posted on 04/17/2002 1:36:35 PM PDT by Anthem
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To: Wright is right!
Or, just paint all of em pink......that'll stop personal usage.
6 posted on 04/17/2002 1:46:44 PM PDT by Dallas
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To: Dallas
Another way to reduce their use would be to have them all be Yugos, especially now that we've conquered Yugoslavia and it is ours, so to speak.
7 posted on 04/17/2002 1:51:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: Phantom Lord
Why would a contract worker be given a car? They are not even employed by the government! Technically they are employed by the employement agency they are contracted through.

I think that the argument here is that only the government employees are performing essential functions that also require the use of a car. Everything else (the "non-essential" stuff) has been farmed out to contract employees. Therefore, one should expect a high vehicle to employee ratio.

As I said, I think that this is the argument. I didn't say I was buying it.

8 posted on 04/17/2002 2:00:14 PM PDT by the bottle let me down
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To: Dallas
It hertz to believe this could be true.
9 posted on 04/17/2002 2:11:07 PM PDT by exit82
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To: Revolting cat!
I threw up in a Yugo once.....I don't think anyone even noticed.
10 posted on 04/17/2002 2:12:21 PM PDT by Dallas
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To: exit82
LOL.....
11 posted on 04/17/2002 2:12:48 PM PDT by Dallas
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To: Wright is right!
.....drive it to and from work each day, and it would CERTAINLY reduce the impulse for "workers" to use such cars for pleasure driving on the weekend.....

Unless the rules have changed since I worked for the gov., both are already not allowed.

12 posted on 04/17/2002 2:55:21 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: Dallas
They'd just blend in with all the Mary Kay cars.
13 posted on 04/17/2002 3:07:03 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Dallas
Not bad. That's only $3800 per car. < /sarcasm >

Is this the annual maintenance cost? What was the purchase price? This story does NOT tell the whole truth.

No wonder I see so many govment vehicles on the road.

14 posted on 04/17/2002 3:08:06 PM PDT by jcparks
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Save on insurance by having them drive an Adobe with its moldable bumpers(and doors, and quarterpanels, and...)

We'll now see who is a true connaisseur of late '70's/early '80's pop culture.

15 posted on 04/17/2002 3:09:41 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Dallas
I seriously doubt that significant cost reduction can be achived by reducing the number of cars the Feds have. If the contract workers don't use them, they'll use their own and charge the gubmint twice as much. Someone, perhaps Steve Forbes, observed that Americans keep believing that government can be made more efficient while providing us with all the goodies and services (and more) that it has been providing.

Instead of asking why the Department of Agriculture has x number of vehicles, we should be asking why the hell Department of Agriculture has offices in almost every US county, agricultural, urban, desert, lake. Why is there Department of _______________ (fill in the blank)? But of course that'll never happen; we got here incrementally and we might get out of here incrementally too. Unfortunately, you cannot eliminate a government agency incrementally. What to do?

16 posted on 04/17/2002 3:15:54 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: Revolting cat!
These figures do not include this info: They show 1 car for every 2.7 employees. Doesn't sound too bad ?

Now, how many of the total employees in a government agency are allowed TO USE THE GOVERNMENT VEHICLE? Probably about 10%.

So, now the figures change a little. More like 10 cars for every 2.7 authorized vehicle users.

17 posted on 04/17/2002 3:52:08 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
Now, how many of the total employees in a government agency are allowed TO USE THE GOVERNMENT VEHICLE?

As critical as I am of the federal government, I do have to say something in their defense here. I once worked for the US Attorneys Office in Chicago, so I am familiar with a number of federal employees who drive government cars.

Will only speak of those I know about. FBI and Customs agents that I knew probably had a government car to drive--not all however. DEA usually drove vehicles confiscated from drug dealers. Postal Inspectors got a car when necessary.

As for the Labor Dept., I have a friend who is a manager for the CPI. She is allowed a car if she is going out of town on government business--the rest of the time she takes the commuter train back and forth to the federal building like any other peon.

18 posted on 04/17/2002 4:58:41 PM PDT by scholar
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So, you are agreeing with the fact that MOST of the employees of a particular AGENCY do not/are not drive government vehicles ?
19 posted on 04/17/2002 6:25:01 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Dallas
I wonder how many of them are gas guzzling SUV's ???
20 posted on 04/17/2002 6:37:03 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth
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