'I Saw the [Catholic] Bishops Lie on the Stand' (former church insider helps sex abuse victims)

Associated Press ^ | 21 April 2002 | Collen Barry

[ventana]

Oh I get it now. You are saying the Military could have done something about Clintoon, so they failed to "walk past the problem"

......(Flac helmet, Flac helmet, I know I had one around here somewhere)...

[leilani]

"Abusers are everywhere. How they're handled sends a signal to the perps and victims alike." - sinkspur

Exactly. My problem isn't with these nutcake predatory creeps who seem to have have taken over the US RC priesthood in the US, it's with the US BISHOPS, like Cardinal Law, who have actively worked to ennable & protect all these bogus "priests" pursuing their decadent lifestyles on the rank & file Catholic's hard earned dime- via the weekly collection basket. Get these weirdo sleaze-bucket predators, & their apologists & ennablers, OUT OF THE CHURCH, ...NOW!!!!!

[sinkspur]

Another poster on FR the other day said that in the Protestant denomiations, the married ministers work their way through all of the women in the church and then they are moved on to another church.

Well, that's as stupid as portraying all Catholic priests as pederasts.

[Torie]

That sounds highly dubious as a common occurence. Note however that there is not an allegation of sex crimes. If there are no sex crimes, it ceases to be a matter for the public square in my opinion, and becames a matter for the religion to work out internally.

[Catholicguy]

Oh I get it now. You are saying the Military could have done something about Clintoon, so they failed to "walk past the problem" ......(Flac helmet, Flac helmet, I know I had one around here somewhere)...

Actually, yes. That is what I am saying. Imagine for a moment what would have happened if some military officers refused to bomb that pharmacy to distract from the Lewinsky matter? What if some military officers refused to lie and cover-up the deaths with the lie that pharmacy was actually making weapons?

The military is not superior to the Catholic Church and military officers do, frequently, "walk past problems."

[sinkspur]

The military is not superior to the Catholic Church and military officers do, frequently, "walk past problems."

I suspect most American Catholics would disagree with you about that, at this point in time.

[Irene Adler]

Clinton appears to be giving the finger during his salute. That's probably a figment of the angle of the photograph. But, isn't he also gripping something between the thumb and the forefinger of his saluting hand? I know you are technically not supposed to return salutes if you are not in uniform which Ronald Reagan (I believe) was the first president to ignore. Now, presidents routinely return salutes (I believe Bush does this). But saluting with something in your hand?

[Catholicguy]

I suspect most American Catholics would disagree with you about that, at this point in time.

Agreed. But, imagine if journalists were to collect incidences of when military officers did "walk past problems." Then, imagine a lengthy series of articles for several moneths detailing these incidences. Imagine endless editorialising about the incidences of "walking past the problem."

After several months, the vast majority of American Catholics would agree with me. And, after all, that is what truly matters - not objective truth, but that others agree with me.

[Temple Drake]

I used to have some social contact with Fr. Doyle as well -- doubt he remembers. I was not a Catholic then, and a lot of this sort of thing was keeping me out of the Church at the time. But I was impressed with him and wished all priests were as straightforward(heck -- as straight!) as he.