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Bronze Stars -- Wait due to 'Canadian protocol'
National Post (Toronto) ^ | April 23, 2002 | Michael Smith and Chris Wattie

Posted on 04/23/2002 4:56:01 AM PDT by Clive

The United States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban and al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern Afghanistan, but Canadian defence officials put the medals on hold, the National Post has learned.

The five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of the United States Army's 187th "Rakkasan" brigade last month, clearing out diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern Afghanistan.

The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they recommended them for medals after the battle.

Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already signed the recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn from 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month. Gen. Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in Afghanistan, had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two for a Bronze Star with distinction.

The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three weeks ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa put the decorations on hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan.

The Canadian military told their U.S. counterparts to wait before awarding the medals for reasons of "Canadian protocol."

Spokesmen for the Department of National Defence would not comment on the award last night, but a source within the department said the medals are on hold while the military decides whether or not to award the men a similar Canadian decoration.

However, Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, said the real reason for the delay was likely official squeamishness.

"Canadians don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the problem," he said. "I think the military is not sure that the government is prepared to accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that Canadian soldiers do sometimes end up killing people."

Many of the U.S. scouts who worked directly with the Canadian snipers were incensed that the Canadians did not get the Bronze Star, the medal for bravery the U.S. military usually gives foreign soldiers serving alongside its troops.

The snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not be printed, have said they would prefer to receive a medal from their peers in the field rather than from National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa.

Dr. Bercuson said there should be no objection to Canadians receiving a U.S. decoration: As recently as the Gulf War, two Canadian CF-18 pilots were given the Bronze Star.

He said the medals would be a badly needed boost to the morale of the almost 900 Canadian soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan, especially after four of their comrades were killed and eight others wounded in last week's friendly fire incident.

"Absolutely they should get it," Dr. Bercuson said. "It would be good for the morale of the guys and good for the morale of the whole unit, and they need a morale boost right now."

Canadian snipers were reportedly outstanding in the fighting around the mountainous al-Qaeda bastion east of Gardez, code-named Operation Anaconda.

The battle pitted the two Canadian sniper teams against an enemy that showered the assaulting coalition troops with mortars and machine-gun fire as soon as they jumped from their helicopters.

One member of the team, a corporal from Newfoundland, said on his first night in combat he and his partner got an al-Qaeda machine gun in their sights as it was hailing bullets down on U.S. troops below.

Crawling up into a good position, they set up their .50-calibre rifle -- the MacMillan Tac-50, a weapon the corporal compares to having superhuman power in your hands. "Firing it feels like someone slashing you on the back of your hockey helmet with a hockey stick."

When he hit his first target, an enemy gunman at a distance of 1,700 metres, he said all that ran through his mind was locating his next target.

"All I thought of was Sept. 11th and all those people who didn't have a chance and the American reporter who was taken hostage, murdered and his wife getting the videotape of the execution; that is my justification."

A master corporal from Ontario, the lead sniper of his three-man team, said when they first landed in the combat zone "our spider senses were tingling.... It was night and we didn't know what to expect."

By daylight, after coming under enemy machine-gun fire, he managed to ease his rifle barrel between two rocks and quickly located an enemy sniper hiding behind a small piece of corrugated steel between two trees. He guessed the distance at 1,700 metres and fired one shot through the metal, killing the man instantly.

He said afterward he remembered thinking: "That's one less bullet that's gonna be coming at us, one less person we have to think about."

During the next four days of fighting, the Newfoundland corporal set what is believed to be a record for a long-distance shot under combat conditions, hitting an enemy gunman at a distance of 2,430 metres.

The days of crawling, shooting and long hours waiting in cover left the Canadian snipers exhausted. "You don't realize what you've done to your body and how tired you are till it's all done. I think we slept 14 or 15 hours when we got back," the master corporal said.

Three of them, along with U.S. special forces soldiers, also rescued a company of the U.S. 101st Airborne Division that was pinned down by enemy fire on the first day of Operation Anaconda.

They also participated in Operation Harpoon, with Canadian troops on "the whale," a mountain overlooking the Shah-e-Kot valley where al-Qaeda fighters were putting up stiff resistance.

Operation Harpoon, carried out in conjunction with Operation Anaconda, consisted of 500 Canadian and 100 U.S. troops under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel Pat Stogran, who leads Canadian Forces in Afghanistan in the biggest ground offensive since the Korean War.

Lieutenant Justin Overbaugh, of the American scout platoon to which the Canadian snipers were attached, said it was a pleasure to work with the Canadian troops.

"Their professionalism was amazing," Lieut. Overbaugh said. "The Canadians were a very large asset to the mission. I would have loved to have 12 Canadian sniper teams out there. I'd have no problems fighting alongside of them again."

He said the Canadian snipers had equipment far superior to theirs. Their rifles had longer range than the U.S. weapons and better high- tech sights. Lieut. Overbaugh said if another mission comes up, he will request the Canadian sniper teams be sent with his unit.

Senior military officials in Ottawa made a point of praising their work at the time. "The sniper teams suppressed enemy mortars and heavy machine-gun positions with deadly accuracy," Vice-Admiral Greg

Maddison said after Operation Harpoon ended. "Their skills are credited with likely having saved many allied lives."


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; anamericansoldier; banglist; bronzestars; canada; miltech; patriotlist; talibanlist; terrorwar; warlist
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Long standing Canadian policy is against the acceptance of foreign honours without the specific consent of the Government of Canada.

This policy was originally addressed to the acceptance of knighthoods and peerages, but has also caused problems such as this one.

It was years before the soldiers of the 2nd Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry were able to wear their US Presidential Unit Citation ribbons earned ad Kap'yong in April 1951.

Unfortunately, our politicians do not do justice to our soldiers.

Canadian Liberals seem to think that there is something disreputable about being a soldier.

In spite of this, in the old words, the soldiers have "made their names to shine".

1 posted on 04/23/2002 4:56:01 AM PDT by Clive
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2 posted on 04/23/2002 4:56:43 AM PDT by Clive
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During the next four days of fighting, the Newfoundland corporal set what is believed to be a record for a long-distance shot under combat conditions, hitting an enemy gunman at a distance of 2,430 metres.

Wow. No comment, just...wow. Just over a mile and a half, while under fire.

3 posted on 04/23/2002 5:02:33 AM PDT by general_re
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God keep your land glorious and free...

wow... thats just amazing. Glad to have them on our side.

Gotta love the Canadians.

4 posted on 04/23/2002 5:19:32 AM PDT by jude24
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Just over a mile and a half, while under fire.

I want this guy to stay on Our Side, OK?

[And to get his gong!]

5 posted on 04/23/2002 5:22:01 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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Great minds!
7 posted on 04/23/2002 5:23:03 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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2430 meters? Dam, I cannot even SEE that far!
8 posted on 04/23/2002 5:23:25 AM PDT by donozark
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To: Clive
I'm not sure how to post it here , but there is a small picture of these deserving guys at the National Post link.
9 posted on 04/23/2002 5:31:51 AM PDT by Snowyman
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Here is the image:


OTTAWA BLOCKS U.S. EFFORT TO HONOUR OUR SNIPERS:
Canadian snipers pose with their 50- calibre rifle at base camp in Kandahar. Five of the men, whose names the military withheld for security reasons, were nominated for Bronze Stars by the U.S. for their prowess in fighting near Gardez. The sixth joined the unit later in the war.

11 posted on 04/23/2002 5:37:45 AM PDT by Clive
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a distance of 2,430 metres
Ahhhh.. Getting the chills.. Gotta love those .50 cal rifles.
13 posted on 04/23/2002 5:41:28 AM PDT by anguish
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"Firing it feels like someone slashing you on the back of your hockey helmet with a hockey stick."

Yup - He's a Canadian!

A 2430 meter kill? Awesome - They ought to get a medal.

14 posted on 04/23/2002 5:42:51 AM PDT by LouD
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"Firing it feels like someone slashing you on the back of your hockey helmet with a hockey stick."

LOL! Classic Canadian quote -- who else but a Canuck (and a Newfie at that) would use an analogy involving a hockey stick?

15 posted on 04/23/2002 5:47:31 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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Long standing Canadian policy is against the acceptance of foreign honours without the specific consent of the Government of Canada.

Well, lets clear that up a bit. There was a law someothing like that which was on the books, but everyone, including the PM ignored it untill Conrad Black (a dual Canadian/UK citizen) was offered peerage in the UK. Because Mr. Black was the founder of the thorn-in-the-liberals-side National Post, and because the PM is a petty childish idiot, he (ab)used his powers to stop it, even though since C.B. was a dual citizen that law didn't really apply to him.

Now they have to oppose these Bronze Stars to maintain the farce that what they did before was right.

16 posted on 04/23/2002 6:13:22 AM PDT by Grig
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17 posted on 04/23/2002 6:16:51 AM PDT by Clive
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Unfortunately, our politicians do not do justice to our soldiers. Canadian Liberals seem to think that there is something disreputable about being a soldier. In spite of this, in the old words, the soldiers have "made their names to shine".

BUMP!

18 posted on 04/23/2002 6:19:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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"He said the Canadian snipers had equipment far superior to theirs. Their rifles had longer range than the U.S. weapons and better high- tech sights."

We don't suppose it's because they were snipers? < sarcasm > The stupidity of the media is off the scale every time they write about something that goes "boom".

19 posted on 04/23/2002 6:20:32 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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The "law" you are refering had/has to do with giving of hereditary titles, not metals. We've had lots of "Sirs" and even more foreign awarded metals.
20 posted on 04/23/2002 6:23:49 AM PDT by Snowyman
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