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Bronze Stars -- Wait due to 'Canadian protocol'
National Post (Toronto) ^ | April 23, 2002 | Michael Smith and Chris Wattie

Posted on 04/23/2002 4:56:01 AM PDT by Clive

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To: Grig
It also took 5 years in the 1950s before the 2nd Patricias were permitted to wear the Presidential Unit Citation ribbon that they had earned at Kap'yong.

OTOH, as you have said, the government has not been so reluctant to allow knighthoods and peerages to be accepted (Conrad Black excepted).

21 posted on 04/23/2002 6:29:49 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Shooter 2.5
Agreed.

Comparison of the equipment of snipers compared to the rest of the PBI is simply comparing oranges to apples.

22 posted on 04/23/2002 6:32:17 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive
"...three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two for a Bronze Star with distinction."

Why distinction? What qualifies a distinction recommendation?

23 posted on 04/23/2002 8:19:31 AM PDT by deadrock
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To: Clive
"...Canadian soldiers do sometimes end up killing people."

But in a nice, friendly, understated Canadian way.

Only on an exceptionally cold morning would a Canadian then cut open the quarry's belly to warm his hands. ;^)

24 posted on 04/23/2002 9:40:47 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: squantos
50-calibre rifle -- the MacMillan Tac-50

Were we not just talking about this last night?

25 posted on 04/23/2002 9:57:46 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: DEADROCK; Travis McGee; harpseal; Squantos
The Bronze Star is not necessarily a decoration for bravery - in fact, most of them are not given for bravery, but for meritorious service.

The Bronze Star is the war-time equivalent of the Meritorious Service Medal (MSM). If you are serving in a combat zone, and someone puts you in for an MSM (for meritorious service between this date, and that date), then what you get will be the Bronze Star.

Again, the Bronze Star is given for meritorious service during a span of time in a combat zone - that's it.

Now, the Bronze Star with "V" Device is an entirely different medal. The "V" stands for Valor, and this medal is given for specific acts, on a specific date, while involved in direct ground combat with an armed enemy of the United States.

The only "exception" is in the U.S. Navy, where (as I understand it) you can get a Bronze Star with what they call a "combat 'V'" if you were actually in combat, but did not necessarily perform a specific valorous deed. [You Navy vets please help me out here - I've never fully understood how your regulation works on this.]

Hope this helps - it's really a pet peeve of mine that all of those generic Bronze Stars floating around out there are looked upon as "hero medals," which they are NOT.

26 posted on 04/23/2002 10:27:59 AM PDT by Matthew James
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To: Clive
bttt
27 posted on 04/23/2002 10:29:07 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Matthew James
You are 100% correct........whole lot of BS awarded to weenies flyings desks during Desert Storm who never left their air conditioned bunkers.....they even had their ice delivered for their bottled water and were still awarded BS medals...........have I said BS enough :o)

Stay Safe MJ, nice to see ya come up for air now an then........

28 posted on 04/23/2002 10:41:31 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: wardaddy
Thought you may be interested in this after your post re:.50BMG
29 posted on 04/23/2002 10:43:04 AM PDT by donozark
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To: big ern
Firing it feels like someone slashing you on the back of your hockey helmet with a hockey stick.....

One con for the McMillan and a pro for the semi-auto Barrett 82A1 series. The barrett has a recoiling barrel and a buffer along with an advanced muzzle break that is analogious of shooting a round of trap/skeet in my experience.

I have fired hundreds if not thousands of rounds (with free goobermint ammo of course :o) per session with the barretts but I lose points off my IQ with that number of rounds with an AMAC/Daisy or other single shot (non-semi auto) without a very good break design.......

Stay Safe !

30 posted on 04/23/2002 10:51:04 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: Clive
Story about a brave Canadian soldier's funeral
31 posted on 04/23/2002 1:33:17 PM PDT by bourbon
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To: Clive


The MacMillian Rifle discussed in the above story.

MacMillian Rifles webpage

Folks, this thing is hot. I want one.
32 posted on 04/23/2002 1:42:31 PM PDT by bourbon
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To: general_re
A Good eye and a decent .50 caliber round, and you can take out targets almost five miles away with relative ease....
33 posted on 04/25/2002 11:58:48 AM PDT by Demosthenes
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To: Clive; bang_list
a distance of 2,430 metres

Not to be nitpicky, but that seems a bit far. Most 10-14x optics would have a tough time resolving a man size target at that range, and I've never heard of anybody practicing at that extreme range to get the range indexing for the scope right. What are the come ups for 2400m?? Or was he just doping!

Just offhand, I think 50BMG would drop about 400-500 inches at that range - about 40ft of elevation adjustment. If the dude really hit a human target at 2400m, he deserves more than a medal. That's not a gimme shot for a tank main gun.

Any of you guys in the 50csa know of a rifle/scope combo that can make hits at 2400m reliably?

34 posted on 04/25/2002 12:03:26 PM PDT by xsrdx
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To: Clive
My how things change....
35 posted on 04/25/2002 12:07:29 PM PDT by Slam
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To: xsrdx
The newest scopes for .50 cal guns are now 42x.

While they paint a much bigger target than something at 10-14x, a man is still a very small dot at 2400 meters.

That's a helluva shot under fire.

36 posted on 04/25/2002 12:44:57 PM PDT by Henchster
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To: xsrdx, squantos, travis mcgee
the optics??....my question as well. Aren't the .50s fairly flat out to 1000 meters or so....as compared to almost any other caliber sans a Lapua or that new Cheyene round?
37 posted on 04/25/2002 12:52:36 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: xsrdx
Reliability at those ranges requires being able to read wind patterns perfectly, repeat perfectly. Then throw in a big barrel of luck on top of it all. Barrett and MacMillian and a few private machinists can make the gear but it's up to the shooter to do the work. NightForce has scopes that will allow you to do the sighting. Remember they were in cold weather...no mirages.
38 posted on 04/25/2002 1:09:30 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Demosthenes
5 miles?! Really? Did you read the article?

During the next four days of fighting, the Newfoundland corporal set what is believed to be a record for a long-distance shot under combat conditions, hitting an enemy gunman at a distance of 2,430 metres.

This is not even 1.5 miles. Where did you come up with your 5 miles???

39 posted on 04/25/2002 1:12:12 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: general_re
Wow. No comment, just...wow. Just over a mile and a half, while under fire.
You mean at a mile and a half someone was firing back at him?
40 posted on 04/25/2002 1:25:31 PM PDT by patent
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