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Why French brie isn't kosher
Jewish World Review ^ | April 24, 2002 | Suzanne Fields

Posted on 04/24/2002 5:29:39 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: Gumlegs
I see. You're one of those people who do not hesitate to make a comparison with the Kristalnacht to support your views. Of course, the fact that no jew has been physically hurt since the beginning of this "wave of anti-jewish violence" does not matter, it's so way cool to make an analogy with the Kristalnacht in nazi Germany... The most serious antijewish acts have been the throwing of a molotov cocktail on the walls of synagogues. Otherwise, practically all the recorded antisemitic acts are graffitis.

Now, don't talk to me about gratitude when it comes to the Franco-American relations, will you? I could remind you a thing or two about America's behaviour towards France duting the end of the 18th and the whole 19th century. As far as Khadafi is concerned, the explanation is simple: Mitterand was a lunatic who always refused something when it was not asked politely. The US informed Mitterand that their planes would take a route flying over France, without explicitely making the request. Mitterand got pissed and said "screw you, next time you'll learn to be polite". That's quite typical of his peculiar personality. The thing that of course you will never want to notice is the fact that France has proven trustworthy when it really mattered, and has appeared highly undisciplined and irritating when the rhetorics had no actual consequences. Remember, the French like posturing. Action is secondary.

As for the claim that the police pretended to look elsewere, it is plain ridiculous; as a matter of fact, these days, the police in France seems unable to protect anyone (which is not without connection with the results of some election you may have heard about...). But you will see, if you come to France, that the synagogues are probably the places which are the most surrounded by policemen these days.

21 posted on 04/24/2002 9:41:19 AM PDT by zefrog
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Why, because has largely become a neo-con board in which any criticism of any foreign nation (save one) is not only to be applauded but expected (especially if the nation is European)?
24 posted on 04/24/2002 9:47:56 AM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: zefrog;Gumlegs;Lazarus Long
WIESENTHAL CENTER DISMISSES FRENCH PRESIDENT’S DENIAL OF INCREASE OF ANTISEMITISM IN FRANCE
From the Simon Weisenthal Center February 26, 2002

The Simon Wiesenthal Center dismissed President Chirac's denial of an upsurge of antisemitism in France as "a politically-induced myopia which only increases the fears of French Jewry", said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, Associate Dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

Rabbi Cooper said that he and Dr. Shimon Samuels, the Center's European Director, experienced the same response from French Interior Minister Valliant during a meeting two weeks ago in France. "French officials are more than happy to condemn Le Pen and anti-Jewish hate crimes from the far-right, but have steadfastly refused to publicly condemn and deal with over 300 hate crimes against French Jewry inspired by radical Muslim clerics," Cooper added.

"Just last week President Chirac gave an election speech in Garges-Les-Gonesse, a suburb of Paris on 'insecurity and safety', just 200 meters from the site of a recent attack on a school bus of Jewish kids by local Arab thugs. Incredibly, no Jewish leaders were invited to the speech and no mention of antisemitism was uttered by the French President,” he added.

“Is it any wonder French Jews are frightened for their safety and future?" Cooper concluded.

And from World Jewish Congress :

Across the English Channel in France, the situation is scarcely better and in many respects far worse. Historian Pierre Andre Taguieff, a noted French authority on racism and antisemitism, claims that “[n]ot since the Second World War have we witnessed such a rash of anti-Jewish acts, which have met with such limited intellectual and political resistance. One thing is certain… At the start of the 21st century we are discovering that Jews are once again select targets of violence. It is dangerous to identify as a Jew today. Hatred of Jews has returned to France.”

One symptom of that hostility is to be found in the fact that state and government officials have been even more outspoken in their hostility toward Israel and in some instances have even attempted to “contextualize” the antisemitic violence that erupted in the wake of the latest Intifada.

In a discussion on the recent violence against Jewish institutions and individuals in France, French foreign minister Hubert Vedrine claimed “one is not shocked when young French Jews instinctively sympathize with Israel regardless of its policies… So one should not be shocked when young French citizens [of North African background] feel compassion for the Palestinians.” In so doing, he gave a green light to those who wished to demonstrate their support for the Palestinian Arabs through violence. There has been little reaction in the French public to the phenomenon of Muslim demonstrators chanting “Death to Jews” in the center of Paris. Given the country's wartime history of collaboration in the destruction of the French Jewish community, this silence is especially disturbing. There may, in fact, be a link between the demonization of Israel and that guilt. By painting Israel as an apartheid or even Nazi state, the French can see the annihilation of European Jewry as being somehow less evil. And they can view the Israelis as having lost the moral high ground in the Arab-Israeli conflict.

There is, of course, little love between French elites and the Muslim community in France, but it seems that there is, at least on the Jewish question, a degree of common And one suspects, that there is even a degree of satisfaction in certain circles that Muslims are on the offensive against the Jews. But then, where Jews, or rather the hatred of Jews, are concerned the strangest and least likely alliances have emerged – and may yet be emerging again.

Meantime, French President Jacques Chirac has declared that there is no antisemitism in France. He, the first French leader to openly acknowledge French complicity in the deportation of French Jews in the Holocaust, has intimated that the Jews would be wise not to even suggest that there is any antipathy toward Jews in France – or face serious consequences.

France, of course, has a long history of attempting to appease Arab despots in order to further its own interests in the Middle East. Not surprisingly, the French media has also displayed a marked preference for the Arab cause reporting on the recent violence in the Middle East. In France too, the Muslim population, which outnumbers the Jewish population by a factor of more than 5:1 may be expected to wield increasing political clout.

25 posted on 04/24/2002 9:54:29 AM PDT by Rightwing Canuck
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He, the first French leader to openly acknowledge French complicity in the deportation of French Jews in the Holocaust, has intimated that the Jews would be wise not to even suggest that there is any antipathy toward Jews in France – or face serious consequences.

Yeah right, Chirac threatened the jews to stop complainig or face consequences... I guess this sentence pretty much illustrates how "unbiased" the authors of this article are.

26 posted on 04/24/2002 10:00:54 AM PDT by zefrog
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To: Rightwing Canuck
over 300 hate crimes against French Jewry

Including 290 graffitis... Why did the authors of this paper fail to mention that? Could if be that they gave some kind of interest in dramatizing the situation?

27 posted on 04/24/2002 10:05:18 AM PDT by zefrog
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To: zefrog
They often, though not always, fail to mention another detail, that the perps are rarely, if ever, indigenous to the French homeland, but, on the contrary, Islamic squatters.
29 posted on 04/24/2002 10:09:06 AM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: zefrog
Here's an article from the Economist on this issue. The Economist is a British conservative newspaper, hence usually not very favorable to France. But at least, its journalists are making their best to remain in touch with THE REALITIES:

Confusing signs

Apr 4th 2002 | PARIS

From The Economist print edition

Despite a rising number of attacks, general anti-Semitism may be declining

A SYNAGOGUE burned to the ground in Marseilles; two other synagogues attacked in Lyons and Strasbourg; a shotgun assault on a kosher butcher's shop in Toulouse; a cemetery vandalised near Strasbourg: the horrors of a single Easter holiday are suddenly posing questions the French would rather not ask, let alone answer. Is a general but latent anti-Jewish sentiment coming into the open? Or does the year-long wave of anti-Jewish acts, from graffiti to physical assaults, reflect rather the events in the Middle East, and so perhaps also France's failure to integrate its Muslim, pro-Palestinian minority?

Whatever the answers, the fact is that France, home to around 5m Muslims, mostly of North African extraction, and about 600,000 Jews, has more Muslims and Jews than any other country in Western Europe. The Muslims, concentrated in working-class suburbs that have become ghettos of poverty, poor education, unemployment and crime, all too often feel excluded from the mainstream. For their part, the Jews remember all too well France's dubious record under Nazi occupation. Many Sephardic Jews remember, too, their painful flight from North Africa when France's colonies gained their independence four decades ago.

In other words, the present situation is politically and socially volatile—hence the denunciation of the recent attacks by every right-thinking politician. France's conservative president, Jacques Chirac, on a special visit to a synagogue in Le Havre, described the attacks as “unimaginable, unpardonable” and “unworthy of France and the French”, and called on Lionel Jospin, the Socialist prime minister who is challenging Mr Chirac for the presidency next month, to take sterner measures to protect Jewish buildings. Mr Jospin, stressing that nothing in “the absolutely dramatic situation of the Middle East can justify acts of aggression against our Jewish compatriots or any others”, was already ordering such measures: another 1,100 police and gendarmes to guard Jewish sites in Marseilles, Lyons and ten other big towns.

The incidents do seem to be connected with the politics of the Middle East. A book recently put out by the Union of Jewish Students in France and an anti-racist organisation claims that over 400 anti-Jewish incidents took place between September 2000, at the start of the Palestinians' latest intifada, and February this year. They ranged from verbal intimidation to Molotov cocktails. The government of Israel has responded by offering subsidies to encourage French Jews to emigrate, claiming that France is “the worst western country concerning anti-Semitism”.

Such a charge infuriates France's political elite—and mystifies even Israel's ambassador to Paris, Eli Barnavi, who notes that “all the polls show that the Jewish community is increasingly integrated” and that “only some 10% of the French population manifests any anti-Semitic feeling.”

But it will surely be easier to inflame emotions than to soothe them. The Consistory of Paris, a body set up by Napoleon to organise Jewish religious practices, has already described the Easter attacks as “the beginnings of a new Kristallnacht, with the government totally passive”.

30 posted on 04/24/2002 10:10:56 AM PDT by zefrog
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To: Phillip Augustus
"Why, because has largely become a neo-con board... "

Nooo, because there are a large number of Freepers that don't like France or the inhabitants thereof. Simple as that.

31 posted on 04/24/2002 10:19:16 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: zefrog
Let's see ... a soccer team of Jewish teenagers is beaten by a mob weilding clubs and pipes, but no one was hurt. A miracle! Or doesn't that count because the mob was Arab kids, and, well, you know those Arabs, uncontrollable, non?

That no one was hurt when the molotov cocktails started flying is fortunate, but I wouldn't confuse incompetence with a gesture of friendship.

I don't suppose ... the period of the French Revolution euphemistically called "The Terror" ... might have dampened our ardor for things French just a teeny bit?

Regarding our poor choice of words when we wanted to fly over France -- I guess it's a good thing we phrased the requests more obsequiously in 1917 and 1944, huh?

Don't bother telling me how safe French synagogues are. I have personal sources telling me otherwise.

34 posted on 04/24/2002 1:30:59 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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