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New Study Finds Abortion Risks Higher Than Expected
The de Veber Institute ^ | April 23, 2002 | The de Veber Institute

Posted on 04/24/2002 8:27:48 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy

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To: B4Ranch
Okay...but what about the woman who aborted her baby then changed her life? Is there any consideration or kindness for her? Or even though she changed her life, your view of her remains harsh?

Not trying to cause friction, B4...just wanting to understand where you're coming from. Thanks.

61 posted on 04/24/2002 9:50:38 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: lsee;twigs;brad's gramma;spookbrat
***Romans 5:8 "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." ***

ping and a tearful bump

62 posted on 04/24/2002 9:52:41 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: Saundra Duffy
Just curious. Does anyone know why the Partial Birth abortions hasn't come up again since Bush has been in office? I thought both houses of congress overwhelmingly voted for the ban but Clinton wouldn't sign it.
63 posted on 04/24/2002 9:53:46 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Saundra Duffy
"Abortion complications are seriously underreported, leaving women who undergo abortion largely unaware of the range of physical and psychological risks they face..."


Bump!

64 posted on 04/24/2002 9:59:41 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: homeschool mama
Great picture. I love it!
65 posted on 04/24/2002 10:12:20 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: jlogajan,SaundraDuffy,B4Ranch
You think truth will make a difference where "baby killing" is involved?

BTW, if abortion is really "baby killing" why not another Civil War? Were black slaves more worthy than today's babies? Is slavery worse than "murder"? Should we not go to war and destroy our country trying to force all our women to carry all conceptions to term?

66 posted on 04/24/2002 10:17:19 AM PDT by Semper
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To: jlogajan
Wow, Thanks for the informative post, pal.

</sarcasm>

You obviously haven't read it!

You did not read hers! Do you think your studies from Denmark or the CDC trump her studies? They did not contradict them in any way. Nor would they be deemed more valid even if on point.

Further, it does not take a study to realize that the TRUE mortality rate from abortions is over 50%, just a conscience.

67 posted on 04/24/2002 10:19:35 AM PDT by ventana
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To: homeschool mama
That picture needs to be one of those put up on billboards.
68 posted on 04/24/2002 10:20:07 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Saundra Duffy
I wonder if Greta would be interested.

What about Alan Keyes? In his case it would be a matter of getting it by the decision-makers at MSNBC.

69 posted on 04/24/2002 10:23:29 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: ventana
Do you think your studies from Denmark or the CDC trump her studies?

I have no idea where her study was validated by peer review. It sounds like an advocacy group (de Veber Institute) to me. Not data is given, just a conclusion.

I posted raw data and let the reader draw their own conclusion.

70 posted on 04/24/2002 10:23:51 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: homeschool mama
The woman had other older adults, vast access to religious sources, libraries for reseach papers, and possibly the internet available to her to determine what the results would be of killing her baby. Probably of all of these, I would select women over 60 who have lived a piece of life, who have seen and tasted the troubles of a stupid decision.

Notice I am not one who uses "abortion" during discussion of this subject. I don't want it to be perfumed, flowered or softened. I want the actual corpse laying on the table for everyone to view. This is what should be shown to anyone who is even considering killing their own baby. Abortions would come to a screeching halt.

Talk to the older women raised on farms, ask them what they know about death and you will get some gory stories about how they had to kill a horse that broke a leg or kill a family of coyotes that was attacking their cattle when the husband was off to war. Then ask, "Why do you recall ever detail of that story?" You would be amazed at how simple their answers are. "I was just so thankful that I wasn't killing a person and I couldn't stand the thought of leaving that animal to die in pain" was one answer given to me.

71 posted on 04/24/2002 10:32:53 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: ventana
the Danish study may be more statistically accurate due to their socialized healthcare national database.

but correlation is not causation.
we need the medical community to be honest with women about the risks involved, as well as the alternatives.
all the studies need to be examined to see if indeed there is a link. at least the deveber study provides a possible cause via the estrogen levels.
using bad science to to push an agenda is a trick of the enviromental whacko lobby, and should be avoided, even if the cause is just.

72 posted on 04/24/2002 10:34:38 AM PDT by cooperj
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To: goldenstategirl
No pictures of aborted babies need to be put on billboards if you want to stop the practice.
73 posted on 04/24/2002 10:36:31 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Saundra Duffy
Thanks. Link to earlier article on the study:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/671041/posts

74 posted on 04/24/2002 10:37:01 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Semper
My reply has been stated
75 posted on 04/24/2002 10:39:09 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Semper
BTW, if abortion is really "baby killing" why not another Civil War? Were black slaves more worthy than today's babies? Is slavery worse than "murder"? Should we not go to war and destroy our country trying to force all our women to carry all conceptions to term?

I don't know if you meant this as a serious or rhetorical question, but it is a serious question.

In hindsight, the Civil War should not have been waged since the institution of slavery could have been eliminated through peaceful means, as in England. The number of soldiers who died in the war was probably far greater than the number of slaves that probably would have died under slavery.

Just War theory demands that force be used only when non-violent means will not suffice.

A literal war against abortion at this point probably would not meet this criterion. A second principle of just war requires that the use of force have a reasonable likelihood of success. It is doubtful whether a literal war against abortion would meet this criterion either. Finally, non-combatants should be immune from deliberate attack. This also would also be difficult to accomplish.

76 posted on 04/24/2002 10:39:58 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Semper
By the way, the Civil War was not fought over slavery, it was taxation. Get ready for another one if they greedy buggers in Washington don't change the rules soon.
77 posted on 04/24/2002 10:44:03 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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78 posted on 04/24/2002 10:50:30 AM PDT by Coleus
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To: Saundra Duffy
You should read it....it is a bunch of nonsense, but points against your view.
79 posted on 04/24/2002 10:52:03 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Aquinasfan
Just War theory demands that force be used only when non-violent means will not suffice.

A very reasoned and excellent response. You made several very good points.

I just get very frustrated with terms such as "baby killing" and "murder" and "studies" with an obvious prior agenda. That stuff just indulges the "righteous"; turns off the majority and makes the situation worse.

80 posted on 04/24/2002 10:56:52 AM PDT by Semper
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