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To: B4Ranch
I don't pity intentional baby killers, especially those who have killed their own. They made the decision, they can live with the pain.

The very good news is that your forgiveness is not needed. And the One from whom it is needed will grant it with great abundance!

104 posted on 04/24/2002 2:32:41 PM PDT by reflecting
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To: reflecting
Amen! Here are a couple of interesting articles from Pro-Life Infonet:

Subject: Feminists for Life President Draws Mixed Crowd at Berkeley Rally

Source: The Daily Californian; April 22, 2002

Berkeley, CA -- UC Berkeley students gathered on Sproul Plaza Friday afternoon to debate the highly controversial issue of abortion, as a leader of the pro-life movement stirred both shouts of support and criticism from the crowd. Organized by Berkeley Students for Life, the rally featured Feminists for Life President Serrin Foster and inspired heated discussion among students and opposing groups.

Foster championed the need for an increase in services for pregnant women and more supportive counseling, explaining that the American social structure is apathetic to young pregnant women.

If the social structure, which currently does not provide enough emotional support to women, were "holistically changed," less women would have abortions, Foster said.

"Abortion is a reflection that we have failed women in America," she said. "Every woman in America deserves better than an abortion."

Some students from the National Organization for Women and other abortion supporters reacted passionately to Foster's suggestions and engaged in debate with Foster and members of the pro-life student group.

A number of students decried that being "pro-choice" is not equivalent to being pro-abortion, but rather supporting a women's right to make decisions about her own body.

"There is a lot that goes into pregnancy," said UC Berkeley freshman Amanda Matteis. "I don't think anyone should tell anyone what they can (or can't) do with their body." Matteis pointed out that unwanted pregnancies frequently occur, sometimes as a result of failed contraception or date rape, and said women need to have options in these unfortunate situations.

Part of Feminists for Life's position is derived from the idea that the pro-life movement follows the spirit of the early women's rights movement. Some of the most well known women's rights leaders, such as Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony and Mary Wollstonecraft, were pro-life.

The legalization of abortion goes against the doctrine of feminism, Foster said. It allows more men to abandon their wives or girlfriends, because with the legalization of abortion, they can say, "It's your problem."

But Walter Rader, a UC Berkeley student and member of the National Organization of Women disagreed with Foster, pointing to a different solution to the problem of men deserting the women they impregnate. "I don't think that criminalizing abortion is the answer," he said. "We need to make men responsible." Enforcing the payment of child support from biological fathers is a step in the right direction, Rader added.

While pro-life and abortion supporters remained firmly resolute in their beliefs, students from both ends of the spectrum agreed that UC Berkeley needs to improve its support structure for pregnant women.

Day care services, better counseling, improved housing options and maternity insurance should be more available to college women, Foster said.

"I completely agree we need more options for women, and the services that Foster talked about are necessary," Rader said.

Despite the lone consensus among opposing viewpoints, some said the event illustrated the limited exchange of ideas at the university.

"On the Berkeley campus, we advocate free speech," said Berkeley Students for Life Vice President Elizabeth Maier. "But often times, we are only willing to listen to one side of it."

Feminists for Life is a nonpartisan organization that opposes all forms of abortion and is also against assisted suicide, capital punishment and the exploitation of women and children.

You can help women make positive, life-affirming choices when confronting an unexpected pregnancy. Please provide a link on your web site to Pregnancy Centers Online at http://www.pregnancycenters.org

Subject: Grecian Abortion Rate Has Left 150K Couples Unable to Have Children

Source: Thessaloniki; April 22, 2002

Thessaloniki, Greece -- The first position in abortions, comparatively speaking, both in relation to European countries and to the US, is held by Greece. The large number of abortions, which take place both before and during a marriage, and which can cause serious complications are the main reason for the high percentage of under-fertility in Greece.

According to specialists, abortions are responsible for a 40% decrease in a woman's fertility. It is estimated that 150,000 couples in Greece cannot have children, because they have at least one abortion in their past.

More than 250,000 abortions take place every year in Greece, of which 40,000 are on underage girls younger that 16. Also, a third of them are performed on married women who would avoid them if they could afford a larger family.

This information was announced by Gynecology Professor of Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Ioannis Bodis, speaking at the 2nd day of the 17th Northern Greece Medical Conference, organized by the Thessaloniki Medical Company.

In the 1980-1999 period, stressed Mr. Bodis, Greece exhibited a decrease of 41% in fertility, twice as much (in percentage) as in the rest of Europe, while the US showed an increase in the fertility factor of 14%.

The Pro-Life Infonet is a daily compilation of pro-life news and information. To subscribe, send the message "subscribe" to: infonet-request@prolifeinfo.org. Infonet is sponsored by Women and Children First (http://www.womenandchildrenfirst.org). For more pro-life info visit http://www.prolifeinfo.org and for questions or additional information email ertelt@prolifeinfo.org

105 posted on 04/24/2002 2:51:07 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: reflecting
You have got is correctly! What I don't comprehend is why a few of these people asking for my forgiveness? I'm not the Boss, I'm retired.
118 posted on 04/24/2002 6:09:03 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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