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UC Berkeley Scientist Says Al Qaeda Sent Anthrax Letters
daily californian ^ | 4/24/02

Posted on 04/24/2002 8:51:24 PM PDT by knak

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To: Fred Mertz;OKC Submariner;aristeides;Wallaby ;backhoe;mewzilla
Ethel sass you're right and so do I!

The bad guys are probing,watching, waiting!

21 posted on 04/24/2002 10:17:57 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: knak; Shermy; okie01; LarryLied; bluefish; Fred Mertz; The Great Satan; keri; Nogbad; Alamo-Girl...
This article is half-right, in my view. The connections with 9/11 are incontrovertible, but this was clearly not an attack, by al-Qaeda or anyone else. If it had been an attack, it would not have come with warning letters (two saying to take penicillin, one and possibly two specifically mentioning anthrax). If it had been an attack, a better delivery method would have been used. It doesn't make sense to suggest that these people were sophisticated enough to make some of the most "weaponized" anthrax ever, yet at the same time too stupid to realize that mailing a large amount in a few envelopes would only reach a few people.

It was not an attack, it was a warning. It was meant to serve as a military deterrent. This is the only explanation that makes sense.

Who was it from? It may have been delivered by al-Qaeda, but the warning is probably from Iraq. Iraq has a proven interest in weapons of mass destruction, and in anthrax specifically. And Saddam Hussein needs to have an insurance policy against being overthrown (and against the use of nuclear weapons).

Will it work in deterring us? I hope not. I believe we still have time to stop this threat; but once Iraq gets nuclear weapons, time's up. Yes, Iraq may use anthrax and, if so, there will be American casualties. But we must not be deterred anyway; the price is less than the price we will be forced to pay a decade or two from now.

I could be wrong about Iraq, but I doubt very much that I'm wrong about it being a warning message. It's the only explanation consistent with all the evidence.

22 posted on 04/24/2002 11:28:54 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: keri; The Great Satan; Mitchell; Alamo-Girl; aristeides; nimdoc; Fabozz; patriciaruth; Thud...
Just to make sure 'everyone' got it.
23 posted on 04/25/2002 12:11:32 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
(PS: Good to know the MIT physicists are catching up to us!)
24 posted on 04/25/2002 12:13:41 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Southack
Republicans were also targeted.

Who?

25 posted on 04/25/2002 12:20:23 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: keri; The Great Satan; Mitchell; Alamo-Girl; aristeides; nimdoc; Fabozz; patriciaruth; Thud...
So let’s see:

1. There was highly sophisticated anthrax ready to be mailed and which was mailed very shortly after September 11.
2. Some of the anthrax turned up at a place within walking distance of where Atta frequented.
3. The terrorists were looking at crop-dusters.
4. Anthrax almost certainly was mailed from two locations.
5. One of the terrorists most probably had cutaneous anthrax.
6. The letters and envelopes were printed in weird letters,
...either by a brilliant forger or else someone who knew English badly.

and
an MIT Physicist has come to the amazing and unusual conclusion
that the anthrax was not sent by a domestic loner but was sent by the terrorists.

Boy
they have original and brilliant thinkers at MIT,
makes me so proud
to be a graduate of that institution.

26 posted on 04/25/2002 12:44:36 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
Oh, sorry, got that wrong,
I should have read the title.

So Muller is at Berkeley.

Well that's a good place too.

27 posted on 04/25/2002 12:54:55 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
Do you remember when the first anthrax case turned up in Florida, (just down the street from Delray Beach, where Atta lived),and the government guys suggested the man from the National Enquirer had contracted it during a fishing trip to N.C.?

That's when I knew, without a shadow of a doubt, that the anthrax scare originated in the Middle East.

Their initial theory was almost as ridiculous as the idea of a tail falling off an airplane over Long Island!

28 posted on 04/25/2002 1:18:07 AM PDT by glorygirl
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To: glorygirl
Their initial theory was almost as ridiculous
as the idea of a tail falling off an airplane over Long Island!

Oh come on now! That news is old and stale! Get with it!

The big story now is about some 3rd rate actor who murdered his wife.

29 posted on 04/25/2002 1:42:13 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: justshutupandtakeit
But the question still remains: why target the Democrats when they could count on their incompetence, corruption and complicency in things that hurt America?

I think it was in bin Laden's first video speech, or perhaps another source for something that bin Laden had said, where he ranted about the closeness and 'illegitimacy' of the US presidential election. clearly from all of the lib furor over the election he assumed that the US was divided and vulnerable. In his primitive thinking, Osama had assumed that it was possible to destabilize and ultimately fragment the US just as easily as it is to topple governments in the third world. Osama was not alone in this since Castro had also made a whirlwind trip through the middle east's least desirable dictatorships along with Chavez earlier in 2001 to say the US could be brought down. Saddam has spouted it too. As well as others.

It may be that by directing the mail to Bush's opponents in politics and the media, they could make it appear that the administration was taking its competition down in order to consolidate power in the 'divided country.' (The National Enquirer mailing and most press mailings also served to publicise the act and increase the fear, preventing the US government, if it were so inclined, from hiding the outbreaks.) The Democrats and media would thus turn on the agministration and the US would withdraw within itself as internal elements would go after each other's throats. Our hands would be too full to worry about what they did in th erest of the world; attacks on US interests worldwide would send the markets crashing and the US would collapse. In their theory, that is.

It isn't a surprise that these nutjobs like bin Laden and friends would believe that the United States was fatally weak- the left in this country was spouting nonsense about a coup and so forth with a vehemence that hasn't been heard in the US in generations... if ever. The whole world was treated to a massive circus with a one-sided media creating all sorts of images of an America on the verge of political anarchy. We had already taken some blows from previous terror incidents and had done nothing in response. Anti-administration websites flourished; the rhetoric was downright hysterical, as it hasn't been since Vietnam.

All of these tinpots worship at the altar of Vietnam. It is their only evidence that the militarily superior US could be defeated via propaganda, political dissent, and a few well placed hits to get the weak Americans to recoil from the losses. It is not a shock to me to believe that the enemies of the US would believe that if they could strike more carefully placed blows and inflict damages right in America's heart, and incite internal strife, that the country might just come apart like the Soviet Union. By all appearances more attacks were scheduled for 9/11, here and abroad, and we would have been hurt even worse had they succeeded. But they had misjudged America's nature because the media, which they read for insight, misreports.

30 posted on 04/25/2002 2:34:27 AM PDT by piasa
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During his recent tour of Syria, Libya, Iran, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Malaysia, the Cuban dictator told a cheering crowd of Muslim students at the University of Tehran, "Together we will bring America to its knees."

Agence France-Presse reported that Castro, in an apocalyptic speech on May 10, told his Muslim audience in Iran: "America is weak. I have studied its weaknesses from very close by. I tell you, the imperialist king will finally fall." Following the Sept. 11 attacks, Castro followed the lead of hard-line Muslim leaders by blaming "this tragedy" on "the terrorist policies of the United States."

31 posted on 04/25/2002 2:47:31 AM PDT by piasa
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Fidel's little speech was made on May 10, 2001, by the way.
32 posted on 04/25/2002 2:51:04 AM PDT by piasa
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To: Nogbad
I like your list and the comments of the author. It goes further toward explaining known facts than any other. It is certainly possible the letters were intended mainly as a warning or threat.
33 posted on 04/25/2002 3:32:35 AM PDT by quimby
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To: piasa; bluefish; Mitchell; Nogbad; The Great Satan; Southack; okie01; TheMole; glorygirl; All
Lots of thought-provoking, well-reasoned comments on this thread. Thanks for providing me with some interesting reading to accompany my morning coffee.

Even though it may take a while to discover exactly why the Administration is hiding Iraq's complicity in the anthrax attacks, I think we can be absolutely certain of at least one thing: Bill and Hillary Clinton are thoroughly pissed that all this terrorist murder and mayhem didn't happen on their watch.

I'm getting a really morbid satisfaction out of that. :-)

34 posted on 04/25/2002 3:46:52 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: LarryLied; Anthrax; Anthrax_Scare_List
Thanks for the full Muller article.

Bump lists

35 posted on 04/25/2002 3:49:14 AM PDT by quimby
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To: Southack
The best way to get to high ranking people at their places of work with mail is ...... ?

Hey, the whole industry is looking for that one!

High ranking folks get mail that is opened in a mail room at some remove from their location. It is then culled through by lower ranking people looking for the hallmarks that suggest that a slightly higher ranking person should review it.

Only after it has wended its way through a myriad of hands does any piece of mail addressed to a high ranking person get into his or her hands.

Magazines to which a high ranking person subscribes are a short cut. On the other hand, if you wanted to provide lethal doses of anthrax to large numbers of such people, you wouldn't be able to use a mass circulation magazine. The logistics would be too formidible.

The only alternative is to drop a single envelope with a huge dose in the mail room where it will be opened. The HVAC system should take away the spores or chemicals to be dispersed throughout the building.

The AlQeada attackers who mailed the letters knew what they were doing. They used the ONLY possible method.

36 posted on 04/25/2002 5:23:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Nogbad
Regarding the six points of analysis which you identfied so well:

1. There was highly sophisticated anthrax ready to be mailed and which was mailed very shortly after September 11.

We don't know that the weaponization technique was highly sophisticated - only that the result was a step beyond what anyone else in the world had yet done.  It could be the methodology and chemistry involved is quite simple and could be done at home by teenagers.  Notice the total official silence concerning the possibilities here. 

Also, the letters could very well have been mailed BEFORE September 11.  My choice is Friday, the 7th, or Saturday, the 8th, and by Mr. Atta himself, in Florida.  Remember, this was single-piece rate First Class Mail, and if entered on a weekend could readily become misrouted. (I have explained this numerous times before.  See the FR Anthrax thread.)

2. Some of the anthrax turned up at a place within walking distance of where Atta frequented.

Refer back to the second part of your first point.  Mr. Atta is the chief player in this.

3. The terrorists were looking at crop-dusters.

Yes, they did look at crop-dusters and apparently abandoned the idea.

4. Anthrax almost certainly was mailed from two locations.

Refer back to the second part of item 1.  There is no evidence whatsoever regarding "mailing" in New Jersey - just cancellation.  These letters could be mailed from anywhere (See the FR Anthrax thread for several explanations of how this could happen.  We also have the letter carrier in Staten Island who was recently arrested for assisting terrorists.  It is entirely possible this individual surreptitiously entered the envelopes by placing them in trays of mail  bearing labels directing them to Trenton and Boca Raton. This could be done on the back dock without difficulty once you had access to the post office platform area, which carriers have, of course!)

5. One of the terrorists most probably had cutaneous anthrax.

Yes, he probably had cutaneous anthrax, and in the end, as they boarded their planes, some of the others probably had it too!

6. The letters and envelopes were printed in weird letters,...either by a brilliant forger or else someone who knew English badly.

Actually, the destination addresses show the word "BUILDING" offset on a separate line.  For a while it was possible to go directly to the website that contained these addresses and simply copy them.  Whether the letters are weird or not, the address format is a clear indication the attackers got them from the internet.

37 posted on 04/25/2002 5:46:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TopQuark
I listen to physicists when they talk physics.

On other subjects, they can be as full of cr^p as anybody.

38 posted on 04/25/2002 5:50:24 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: muawiyah
There is no evidence whatsoever regarding "mailing" in New Jersey - just cancellation.

I still am dubious of your theory
(or should I say your belief)
that numerous letters
to different destinations
(Daschle, Leahy, NBC, the NYPost, and others?)
all managed to get to New Jersey
from somewhere else
without having been previously cancelled.

39 posted on 04/25/2002 5:53:56 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
Happens all the time. Misrouting is normal. The way the system works misrouted mail is rerouted constantly to the correct destination.
40 posted on 04/25/2002 6:21:53 AM PDT by muawiyah
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