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To: hobbes1
if you are a Gym Rat, it's the one diet you can go on, and Lose Fat, Gain Muscle, and increase stregnth, simultaneously.

I would be interested to know if this is true. I am a gym rat, a competitive body builder. In the off season I weigh 190 pounds and for contests I get under 176 pounds.

But even when I am cutting weight, I do not eliminate carbs entirely. I simply reduce them. Muscles need carbs, or they lose size. During this cutting phase I will lose 1-2 pounds per week over 12-16 weeks. But my carb intake at its lowest point during this period does not go below 125-175 grams per day. Simple carbs are shunned, breads, rice, pastsa, etc., as well as fruits. I rely on complex carbs like oatmeal or red skin potatoes and veggies, mainly broccli and cauliflower.

I have had to diet too hard at the last minute to shed fat, where my carb intake has been as low as 40-50 grams per day for a week. But I lost a tremendous amount of muscle in the process.

49 posted on 04/25/2002 6:34:14 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
But even when I am cutting weight, I do not eliminate carbs entirely. I simply reduce them.

Did you ever try the Cyclical Ketogenic Diet (or Targeted Ketogenic Diet?) by Lyle McDonald? His ideas were all the rage a few years back. I used those techniques to get to an alltime body fat low, while maintaining all my strength (I assume I kept the large majority of my muscle).

Basically, you go lowcarb, but you time your carbohydrate intake for either specific days (2 day pigout) or specific times (30 minutes before a workout, and up to an hour afterwards).

102 posted on 04/25/2002 7:18:18 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: 11th Earl of Mar; SamAdams76; tututango; Grit; AppyPappy
Broccoli Alert: members of the cabbage family such as broccoli, cauliflower, brussel sprouts contain a compound the produces estrogen-like activity. Do a google search on broccoli and estrogen or indole-3-carbinol to research this. This estrogen boost may explain their cancer fighting qualities, however indole-3-carbinol pollution has also been attributed to small sized penis formation in alligators. Personally I'll take my cancer like a man. Women intuitively know to eat broccoli, but George Bush Sr. intuitively knew not to. He may be on to something... and he became President, not to mention sired one too!
346 posted on 04/26/2002 9:55:33 AM PDT by Reeses
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