[billbears]

Actually it did. Read his book that's been discussed in depth around here, The Real Lincoln. One of the things that happened with the 14th was that it received a no vote from the Southern states (a right of the state to turn down proposed amendments), which was followed quickly by occupation and another vote to get the 'correct' response. Two northern states were so adamant against the actions of the union that they reversed their votes on the Amendment (New Jersey and one other). The new no votes of the northern states were not counted and their original yes vote was kept

[tpaine]

-- Thus, -- Lincoln & the 14th had little/nothing to do with the death of states 'rights'. The loss of these state powers had everything to do with the rise of national political parties that embraced socialist principles at both state and federal levels.

The tenth is full functional, -- but states political regimes refuse to use it to fight the feds.

Actually it did. Read his book that's been discussed in depth around here, The Real Lincoln.

Great arguement, -- 'it did'.
Yes, Lincoln hating ideas are much discussed, but offer little. -- The fact is that federalisation started in earnest in the 1900's.

One of the things that happened with the 14th was that it received a no vote from the Southern states (a right of the state to turn down proposed amendments), which was followed quickly by occupation and another vote to get the 'correct' response. Two northern states were so adamant against the actions of the union that they reversed their votes on the Amendment (New Jersey and one other). The new no votes of the northern states were not counted and their original yes vote was kept

So what? - Doesn't change the facts that the federal government had little power till it stole it in the early 20th century.

[4CJ]

The south seceded, and was told by Chief Justice Lincoln that it was illegal, Senator/Congressman Lincoln delared war and raised an army, and President Lincoln sent troops into a foreign country. Senator/Congressman Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus, arrested thousands of innocent civilians, closed newspapers, and fought a war killing over 620,000, not to mention thousands of civilians kiiled by federal troops and starvation.

Then the states are forced to ratify the 13th Amendment (which was accepted) as a condition for RE-joining a union they allegedly never left, only when failing to ratify the 14th are kicked out (a violation of Article V BTW), puppet governments are instituted, and the south looted of untold millions in the next 12 years.

And we're supposed to pretend like it never happened. And like it.