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Air controllers: Saudi wanted only men
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Posted on 4/27/2002, 1:18:41 PM by Sub-Driver

Air controllers: Saudi wanted only men Envoy, FAA deny prince barred females from handling Texas flights

04/27/2002

By JIM MORRIS / The Dallas Morning News

WASHINGTON – Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah's representatives asked that women be barred from air traffic control duties when he traveled Thursday to Central Texas for a summit with President Bush, several Texas aviation officials say.

The request, honored on portions of the prince's flights between Houston and Waco, has angered some Texas air traffic personnel.

"I don't think his request should have even been passed on," said Mark Pallone, a regional vice president of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association. "Our controllers are all qualified. We don't qualify people based on sex or religion."

Representatives of the Federal Aviation Administration and the State Department denied that the Saudis asked for special treatment.

AP Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Abdullah steps from his plane in Waco on Thursday.

"We have received no request from either the Saudis or the U.S. State Department that we provide any special services" to the prince, said FAA spokesman Roland Herwig. White House officials said they had no knowledge of any such request.

Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, told KHOU-TV in Houston: "I don't know where this news came from. I can say, without going back to our people, that is absolute nonsense that they would do something like that."

An FAA employee in Texas confirmed the incident, calling it "an outrage." Prince Abdullah is "in our country and should adhere to our rules," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The incident spotlights cultural differences between the United States and Saudi Arabia, where women are segregated in the workplace, banned from driving and forced to cover up from head to toe in public.

Texas aviation officials said the controversy began Thursday morning when members of the prince's entourage approached the manager of the Texas State Technical College airport in Waco, the airfield used by Mr. Bush and dignitaries visiting his ranch in nearby Crawford.

"Apparently, what happened is that an advance group of Saudi Arabians went in and talked to the airport manager and told him they did not want any females on the ramp and also said there should not be any females talking to the airplane," said Ruben Gonzalez, regional manager for RVA Inc., which operates the airport's control tower under a contract with the FAA.

The request was honored, Mr. Gonzalez said, and safety was in no way compromised. He said a male controller handled the prince's morning flight from Houston to Waco, with the female tower manager on the premises and ready to work, if necessary. Two male controllers guided the prince's afternoon flight back to Houston, he said.

"I had never had a request like this and thought it was odd," Mr. Gonzalez said. "But we did not do anything out of the ordinary. We just did our jobs."

Mr. Pallone, the union official, said the Saudis' male-only appeal made its way from the Waco airport to three FAA stations along the prince's route: the Waco approach control center and the Fort Worth and Houston en route centers.

During the morning flight to Waco, authorities in the Houston en route center "refused to comply" with the prince's request, Mr. Pallone said. The issue was moot in the Fort Worth en route center because an all-male crew already had been scheduled, he said. In the Waco center, he said, a male controller took charge of the prince's plane from a female controller.

During the return flight to Houston, only men were working in the Waco center, Mr. Pallone said. At least one woman was on duty in the Fort Worth center, he said, and Houston made no special arrangements.

Word of the Saudis' request spread quickly through FAA facilities in Texas.

"I've been a controller 24 years, and I've never heard of anything like this," said Dennis West, who works in the tower at Love Field in Dallas. "I was outraged, as were all the people I worked with, especially the females."

The FAA employee who requested anonymity was equally critical. "My understanding is that he [the prince] did not want any females to work him," the official said. "For us to accommodate that request is absolutely crazy."

The U.S. government has paid heed in the past to Saudi sensitivities, only recently jettisoning an Air Force policy requiring female American military personnel stationed in Saudi Arabia to dress in traditional Muslim robes when they go off-base.

The Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, noted that half the people aboard the crown prince's plane were female "hostesses."

"The role of women in Saudi Arabia is undergoing tremendous transformation," he said. "They make half the population. They are needed to bring the population to its full capacity."

The summit between Mr. Bush and the crown prince, who is Saudi Arabia's de facto leader, occurred against a backdrop of rising tensions between the two nations over U.S. policy in the Middle East and the commitment of Arab nations to rein in Islamic fundamentalists and fight terrorism.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: saudi
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1 posted on 4/27/2002, 1:18:41 PM by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
Makes perfect sense to me. After all, every one of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were men. I'm sure Prince Abdullah approved.
2 posted on 4/27/2002, 1:26:26 PM by Catspaw
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To: Sub-Driver
What is the Prince's definition of "female hostesses"? Hmmm.
3 posted on 4/27/2002, 1:34:31 PM by widowithfoursons
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To: Catspaw
My father told me about this last night. He also said an arab individual came into the college where my aunt works, and requested he be attended to by a man, as he didn't wish to conduct his business with a woman. When she told him he could deal with her or find the door, he threw a screaming fit. They brought up a couple of linebacker sized good ole boys from downstairs, because they were afraid of him, and they made sure he shut up and left.

The thing that kills me is that for years, our women had to cover up in their country, but when they come here, they don't respect our customs. Instead, they expect to be accomodated.

4 posted on 4/27/2002, 1:40:32 PM by TheLurkerX
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To: Sub-Driver
I don't believe this happened, but...
If it did, I have lost all hope of resolving the present confrontation with Islam with our present leadership.

Time to clean house?

5 posted on 4/27/2002, 1:40:55 PM by Publius6961
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To: Sub-Driver;phasma proeliator
I sincerely hope that the male traffic controller was a female disguising her voice.
6 posted on 4/27/2002, 1:42:54 PM by da_toolman
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To: Sub-Driver
The request should have been graciously denied while explaining our "right to work laws" in America and the fact that America is a Sovereign nation. IMHO our SOVEREIGNTY was put into question with this request. Let the White House know via fax or use the comment line.
7 posted on 4/27/2002, 1:42:57 PM by yoe
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To: Sub-Driver
I have a request for Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah.
Use your imagination.

hint it involves a goat.

9 posted on 4/27/2002, 1:54:19 PM by Valin
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To: Sub-Driver
I am going to wrap a towel around my head and hold it in place with a fan belt. Then maybe I will get the royal treatment I deserve.
10 posted on 4/27/2002, 1:57:53 PM by Piquaboy
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To: Valin
Can you imagine the future of humanity if the moslems were able to conquer the world for Islam? This scares the hell out of me. And the Eurosnots, et al, continue to try to thwart our efforts to reign this cancer in. With or without allies, we MUST make a statement of force, soon. The West's very survival depends on it.
12 posted on 4/27/2002, 1:58:31 PM by Dudoight
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To: Piquaboy
Oh you'll get treatment alright! :-)
13 posted on 4/27/2002, 2:07:55 PM by Valin
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To: Sub-Driver
He should have been worried about New Yorkers in the Air Trafic Control towers.

Saudi One, make a 90 degree turn in the downward direction.

14 posted on 4/27/2002, 2:11:41 PM by gitmo
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To: Sub-Driver
""The role of women in Saudi Arabia is undergoing tremendous transformation," he said. "They make half the population."

Which must make the prince feel very secure, becaue according to Muslim wisdom, one woman is only half as intelligent as one man. Therefor, a man should avoid walking with two women at the same time, because together, they might equal the "intellect" of the man.

Same with honesty. Men are honest, women lie. Aslo, women are "like children" and must be watched, supervised and discliplined by men.

"They are needed to bring the population to its full capacity."

Yeah...as brood mares.

15 posted on 4/27/2002, 2:11:49 PM by cake_crumb
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To: Dudoight
Why more women don't speak up is amazing. Islam is the enemy of humanity, a fraud and is Satanic in origins. Maybe its goal is to enslave the human race for handlers yet unseen.
16 posted on 4/27/2002, 2:12:13 PM by Podkayne
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To: gitmo
GREAT!!
17 posted on 4/27/2002, 3:07:21 PM by pitinkie
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To: Podkayne
Maybe its goal is to enslave the human race for handlers yet unseen.

Or maybe those handlers are using Islam to frighten the human race into accepting any sort of tyrannical government in order to avoid the fate of living under Islamic domination...

18 posted on 4/27/2002, 3:41:07 PM by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Sub-Driver
This smells like a big steamy untruth.
19 posted on 4/27/2002, 4:03:36 PM by SLM
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To: Sub-Driver
bump
20 posted on 4/27/2002, 4:06:34 PM by timestax
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