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To: helmsman
No, the meaning of words is not determined by plebiscite.

Not the meaning of words. Whether something is "political". Two different things. Try to keep up.

If you want to call it controversial, you have a point.

Ok fine, if you prefer that word, do a global substitute.

They will call it indoctrination, we will insist that it is scientific information crucial to informed choice.

I won't. I will be agreeing with them that it is indoctrination. (Perhaps justifiable indoctrination - that is a different argument - but indoctrination nonetheless.)

And, yes, I have also noted your dislike of this policy. You needn't remind me again.

Apparently I do. When did I say I "dislike" a policy of teaching schoolkids about life? All I said was that I didn't think it would be a winning election strategy.

If Simon would only do this one thing -- aggressively attack Davis on partial-birth -- I would be delighted. Perhaps he will, there's time yet. But, you'll understand if I'm less than optimistic.

Yes, I understand. I don't understand why this would lead you to dislike Simon, but whatever, to each his own. Dislike him all you want. I'm voting for him and hope he wins.

After all, there is no need to sacrifice mainstream pro-life policies to an ideological agenda that simply can't be implemented right away, wouldn't you agree?

Not only would I agree but that is the entire basis for everything I've been saying on this thread.

70 posted on 04/30/2002 4:07:30 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank
Not the meaning of words. Whether something is "political". Two different things. Try to keep up.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You claimed that teaching children scientific lessons about human development is "political" soley because the majority of Californians would think so (according to you) -- a patently ridiculous assertion. If the state teaches children to support abortion restrictions, that would be political. If the state teaches children biology, that is not political. Is that clear enough, Dr. Frank, or do I have to draw you a picture?

I won't. I will be agreeing with them that it is indoctrination. (Perhaps justifiable indoctrination - that is a different argument - but indoctrination nonetheless.)

Again, biology is not indoctrination. Are you even serious? And it doesn't surprise me that you would agree with them, you've certainly bought their spinbook on California politics.

Apparently I do. When did I say I "dislike" a policy of teaching schoolkids about life? All I said was that I didn't think it would be a winning election strategy.

And when did I say that I "dislike Simon?" I only recall questioning his position on abortion. Are we nitpicking words now, Dr. Frank? No, of course not, that would be petty.

Dislike him all you want. I'm voting for him and hope he wins.

Do what you want, sir, it won't break my heart. It's pretty clear that you'd vote for him regardless of what his position on abortion was. Clearly, you have other issues that are more important to you. Had you admitted this to begin with, we could have ended this debate a lot sooner.

71 posted on 04/30/2002 5:20:00 PM PDT by helmsman
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