Russian and Chinese leaders face 3 centers of nuclear military power with which they have to deal.

The Perestroika Deception | 1993 | Anatoliy Golitsyn

[Orion78]

The present Russian and Chinese leaders face three centers of nuclear military power with which they have to deal: The United States, Western Europe and Israel.

They calculate that they will be able to neutralize American military power through the combination of their new 'democratic' image, their 'partnership' with the United States and nuclear disarmament negotiations and agreements.

Russia's hidden nuclear missiles: Clinton turned blind eye to major treaty violations (6/5/00)
Nuclear experts warn against implementation of START II Treaty and US Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament (2/6/01)
Nuclear Strategy and Small Nuclear Forces: The Conceptual Components (6/22/00)
Russian Defector Warns US against Planned Unilateral Disarmament Measures (7/19/01)
Moscow tests new missile {Designed to defeat U.S. missile defenses} (7/29/01)
Russians at Pentagon for missile talks {Russians get missile-shield details} (8/9/01)
DoD News: Special Briefing on the Nuclear Posture Review (1/15/02)

Western Europe will be neutralized through the concept of common European security and the membership of the Eastern European 'independent' states in West European institutions.

Putin says NATO should be replaced {...would also accept inclusion in group}(7/19/01)
Gorbachev: Russia needs better NATO ties (11/24/01)
Russia to the rescue?Moscow says Europe should turn eastward for security help (12/7/01)
Berlusconi calls for stronger EU, could include Russia (1/19/02)
EU, Russia Call For Israeli Withdrawal (4/2/02)

Israel's nuclear capability, which will not be reduced on account of changes in the former USSR, will be a matter of continuing concern to the Russians and Chinese. Foreign Intelligence Service indicates the importance attached to this theatre by the leadership. It cannot be ruled out that, behind the screen of cooperation with the West in preventing nuclear know how (*), the Russians, through their intelligence assets in the area, will prepare a covert operation to sabotage Israeli nuclear installations. The operation might ostensibly be conducted by Arab or Iranian Muslim fundamentalists or perhaps by a renegade Soviet scientist or general in the service of some other terrorist group..."

Russia, China sign historic friendship treaty (7/16/01)
Russia, N.Korea, China give Iran missile aid -CIA (9/8/01)
Iran, China Pledge to Further Develop Friendship, Cooperation Ties (3/17/02)
Russia says nuclear technology sales to Iran pose no threat (5/11/98)
Israel concerned over Russian nuclear export to Iran (6/10/01)
U.S. and Russia Clash Over Shipment of Strategic Metal to Iran (6/12/01)
Russian Duma to Issue Resolution in Support of Iran & Iraq (2/20/02)
Russian Nuclear Minister Pledges To Complete Reactor Deal With Iran (3/27/02)
Iran Pledges Continued Support to PLO Radical Groups and Hizballah (5/15/99)
Hizbollah fires Katyusha rocket into Israel (4/1/02)
Iran Arming Lebanese Terrorists With Anti-Aircraft Missiles (1/12/02)
Iran using PA as proxy against Israel - senior official (1/12/02)
Iran Sends Money, Arms to Palestinian Groups -Times (3/23/02)
Official (Iran) calls for setting up Islamic fund for Palestinians (1/10/02)
Iran's Rafsanjani suggests nuclear attack on Israel (12/19/01)
Saudis and Iran Moving Together (4/24/02)
Saudi Arabia Was The Center Of Hijack Planning (10/17/01)
Saudi Arabia funds `behind Taleban' (9/3/98)

Memorandum to the CIA, February 1993

[Orion78]

(*)This was written only 2 years after the "collapse" of the U.S.S.R, thus, a "screen of cooperation" with the West was required in order for the strategy to succeed. It is now obvious to Communist strategists that Western leaders have accepted the "collapse" as genuine, and a screen is no longer required. See HOMEPAGE for further references and articles that clearly illustrates that Communist strategists, (both Russian and Chinese), are openly and actively aiding the spread of nuclear "know how".

[Stavka2]

Why is it you tin foil types keep popping up every couple of months? Is it that the tin foil supply runs out?

[Orion78]

"Why is it you tin foil types keep popping up every couple of months? Is it that the tin foil supply runs out?"

Is that the best you can do? Your rebuttal is truly pathetic.

[Uncle Miltie]

Russia and China ought to fear the Islamic Bomb, rather than Israel, Western Europe and America. The expansionist, totatlitarian, dictatorial, genocidal Islamic Radicals are at their doorstep.

[Orion78]

"Russia and China ought to fear the Islamic Bomb, rather than Israel, Western Europe and America. The expansionist, totatlitarian, dictatorial, genocidal Islamic Radicals are at their doorstep."

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"The second upgraded strategy involves the use of the new 'independent' Muslim states in the CIS to establish and develop economic and political cooperation with the fundamentalists in Iran and elsewhere in the Muslim world. According to this assessment the much-advertised feud between the Armenians and the Azerbaijanis of Turkish descent in Nagorno-Karabakh may be a tactical ploy to involve Turkey, Iran and other Muslim countries in support of eventual alliance with Azerbaijan and other Central Asian Muslim states in the CIS. This strategy takes into account the growing power of the fundamentalists and the possibility of gaining control over substantial oil reserves.

A primary objective of the strategy here is to achieve a partnership with the fundamentalists in Iran and Algeria and to replace the present American-oriented rulers of Saudi Arabia with fundamentalists. The opening in Saudi Arabia of a Russian Embassy and the probable opening of Embassies by Muslim states of the CIS should be seen, not only as an attempt to extract a few extra Saudi billions, but as part of an offensive to bring about a political reorientation in that country.

Chinese Muslims can also be expected to play an active role in promoting alliances with the fundamentalists. The supply of missiles to Iran by the Chinese should be looked at in the context of this strategy.

Russia, N.Korea, China give Iran missile aid -CIA (9/8/01)

[Orion78]

"Russia and China ought to fear the Islamic Bomb, rather than Israel, Western Europe and America. The expansionist, totatlitarian, dictatorial, genocidal Islamic Radicals are at their doorstep."

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Radical Islam Or Communist Direct Action (9/13/01)

[Uncle Miltie]

Did you know that "Arab Communists" can be rearranged to spell "Bastion Scum Arm"? I'll do some deep background research over the next month to see if this holds up, or is validated by the CFR.

[Orion78]

"Why is it you tin foil types keep popping up every couple of months? Is it that the tin foil supply runs out?

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25 Rules of Disinformation

3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations.

[bushfamfan]

Yeah, Russia was friends with Hitler too. I tell you right now, the Russians are still not trustworthy.

[Orion78]

THE UNITED STATES IS BEING DIMINISHED
Anatoliy Golitsyn, The Perestroika Deception

The blindness of the American leadership elite is diminishing the role of the United States as the leader of the Western world,and is offering the Soviets fresh openings enabling them to manipulate erroneous and naive perceptions of 'perestroika', to the detriment of the Western alliances. The distinction between the US vision of an enlarged Europe based upon Western values, and the Soviet vision of a neutral socialist Europe stretching from the Atlantic to the Urals, has been completely lost from sight.

To sum up, US blindness in helping 'perestroika' in the USSR and Eastern Europe shows that the Bush (Sr.)Administration does not realize the strategic and political implications of such a policy for the United States and Western Europe. This blindness will end in disillusionment following the collapse of US long-term expectations, and may facilitate the final victory of the Soviet strategy of 'convergence' through political means.(75,76)

Editor's Note:
(75)
Under the Single European Act and the Maastricht Treaty with its intergovernmental accords, no EC/EU Member State may claim intrinsic national interests any longer in key areas, such as foreign policy. On the contrary, such interests are held 'in common' by the Member States plus the Commission; and it is for that 'collective' to decide what the interests of the European Union are as a whole. These are liable to be acceptable to Moscow, given the binding obligations assumed by the individual EU countries towards Russia under the terms of their new bilateral treaties.

Editor's Note:
(76)
The phrases 'From the Atlantic to the Urals', 'From the Atlantic to Vladivostok' and 'From Vancouver to Vladivostok' are interchangeable in the strategists' lexicon. In the course of his Nobel Peace Prize Lecture, delivered in Oslo in June 1992, Gorbachev said: 'Our [sic] vision of the European space from the Atlantic to the Urals in not that of a closed system. Since it includes the Soviet Union [sic], which reaches to the shores of the Pacific, it goes beyond nominal geographical boundaries'. Note that Gorbachev, who had been out of office for six months, referred to the Soviet Union, not Russia. In an interview on Moscow Television on 19 November 1991, Eduard Shevardnadze continued speaking as though he was still Soviet Foreign Minster" 'I think that the idea of a Common European Home, the building of a united Europe, and I would like to underline today, of great Europe, the building of great Europe, great, united Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals, from the Atlantic to Vladivostok, including all our territory, most probably a European-Asian space, this project is inevitable. I am sure that we will come to building a united military space as well. To say more precisely, collective security'. These statements by key implementers of the strategy reflect the strategic objective of asserting 'irreversible' Russian/Soviet hegemony over Eurasia, thus establishing the primary geographical component of the intended World Government.

[DarkWaters]

It should be pointed out that Russia(former Soviet Union) fostered the creation of the Radical Islamist. Decade by decade its net effect caused the downfall of many moderate states(by today's contrast) in the region while we in the west just sat twiddling our fingers. Anyone remember Iran? Or the multiple problems with Egypt? Lebanon?

What do we see today? Russia and now China are giving modern weapon systems(some just as good as ours or in the other cases even better- Thank you Bill the Traitor Clinton) to the whole Arab community. Iran and Iraq have thawed their relationship with help from Russia. Syria is in debt(or was) since they bought a great amount of weaponry from Russia. The Wahabi(sp) sect in Saudi Arabia Financed the terror campaign for 9-11 and now the Saudi gov is asking for assistance from China in case America gets anymore involved in the region. We have the Russian economist Tatyana Koryagina state to the Russian Duma(July 2001) that on or around August 19, 2001 America would face a sever economic attack. This info comes from Newsmax.com and an article in the Moscow Times. Yet no one takes notice to this?!?!

We have Russia outproducing the Saudis in oil now. This will have destabilizing ramifications in the region just as we are going to be hot and heavy with the scum here. It also makes Europe more dependent on Russia. This goes along way to break up NATO just as Golytsin warned the Russians would do and with relations between us and Europe cold as it is, it would not take much to drive them away permanently.

However, I do agree that it is possible for this strategy to bite Russia in the butt, but as long as the Muslims' anger is directed at the West they have little to fear. The Muslims in essence become proxy soldiers for the Red cause(beats having to use your own), at least until they lose their usefulness and then they will in all likely hood get a knife in the back. Look at Radical Islam:
It has so much in common with communism(fascism as well) rather than being a religion it is frightening. The violent revolutionary tendencies, the emotional fervor that swept up everybody before the really know what they are getting into. All this points to the fact that they are useful idiots to be used for the Leninist cause.(just like every other group that has been used to further the cause around the world. Most of today’s countries are either Marxist, moderate to extreme socialism, or out right communist. So this begs the question: who really won the Cold War?)

[Voronin]

Some people would say that without an 'outside' enemy, they will turn on themselves...

VRN

[Stavka2]

Or, avoid looking at reality and live in a day dream world of your own paranoia. Stalin would be proud. How about this, get out of the bunker (yes, you can lock it up from the outside too) and buy a ticket out of bum-f**k and go see Russia for yourself....oh, there I go being sensible again. Go ahead, stone wall.

[Stavka2]

Yup, and America was friends with Nazi Japan and it was friends with Communist China and it is friends with genocidal Turkey and it supports Islamic Jihaders: KLA, so is America not trust worthy?

[Orion78]

"Or, avoid looking at reality and live in a day dream world of your own paranoia. Stalin would be proud. How about this, get out of the bunker (yes, you can lock it up from the outside too) and buy a ticket out of bum-f**k and go see Russia for yourself....oh, there I go being sensible again. Go ahead, stone wall."

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5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

[Sawdring]

Stavka, you don't necessarily need to challenge every anti-Russian statement on FR, at least give him some credit for giving you a collection of articles to read on Russia and her allies. You might come to different conclusions but they are their for your perusual.

[Stavka2]

Yeah, you're right. Especially with these silly, bunker mentality guys who can't get over the Cuban Missile Crises. I'm guessing he probably hit his head a few times on the desk during those drills.

[Orion78]

"Yeah, you're right. Especially with these silly, bunker mentality guys who can't get over the Cuban Missile Crises. I'm guessing he probably hit his head a few times on the desk during those drills."

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7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias.

[Orion78]

"Or, avoid looking at reality and live in a day dream world of your own paranoia. Stalin would be proud. How about this, get out of the bunker (yes, you can lock it up from the outside too) and buy a ticket out of bum-f**k and go see Russia for yourself....oh, there I go being sensible again. Go ahead, stone wall."

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8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

[Stavka2]

9. Dismiss all other arguements with bogus rules in order to uphold your paranoia. Avoid any discussion on your subject that questions it importance/relavence to avoid it being disproven. After all, even the most idiotic proposal is possible as long as you ignore/avoid allowing anyone to disprove it.

Own tin stock?