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Ominous Cracks Seen in Gun Control Utopia
LA Times ^ | 042802 | By SEBASTIAN ROTELLA, TIMES STAFF WRITER

Posted on 04/29/2002 5:06:56 AM PDT by RichardEdward

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:24 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

MADRID -- On paper, Western Europe seems like a gun control utopia. The laws governing firearms are tougher than those in the United States. Citizens are less likely to be armed. And the number of gun crimes is substantially lower.

On the street, though, there are signs of ominous change.


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1 posted on 04/29/2002 5:06:57 AM PDT by RichardEdward
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2 posted on 04/29/2002 5:13:00 AM PDT by the
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To: Jim Robinson
Maybe a way to settle the lawsuit would be to offer our services, free of charge, as copy editors, catching typos and the like. For example, let me fix this sentence:
As crime has dropped in the United States in recent years, it has worsened in much of Europe, despite because of generous welfare states designed to prevent U.S.-style inequality and social conflict.

3 posted on 04/29/2002 5:16:34 AM PDT by Dales
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To: RichardEdward
The trend defies laws that have grown more restrictive

John Lott: Stand up and take a bow! Congratulations, your hypothesis now has iron-clad proof: "More Guns, Less Crime"

4 posted on 04/29/2002 5:20:39 AM PDT by mattdono
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To: RichardEdward
I can't believe that this article appears in the LA [S]Limes. I guess the editor on duty that night let this one "slip through". The Gun Control Nuts in Hollyweird must be going freakin' nuts (assuming, that is, that they can read).
5 posted on 04/29/2002 5:22:23 AM PDT by mattdono
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Let me guess the gun controllers' response...

This is obviously due to the "patchwork quilt" of uneven gun laws around the world, and we need to "harmonize" them. Fault especially lies with American gun show loopholes, who supply virtually every illegal weapon in Europe and to terrorists, says an important minister's friend's sister. /idiocy

6 posted on 04/29/2002 5:22:46 AM PDT by Sender
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To: RichardEdward
despite generous welfare states designed to prevent U.S.-style inequality and social conflict.

Oh,yeah! No leftist anti-US bias there! Everybody knows the US invented inequality and social conflict,and the founders of this country came here to get away from the equality and social justice of Europe. I'm thinking this one statement tells more about the thught process of the author than they intended,or maybe even knew themselves.

7 posted on 04/29/2002 5:25:24 AM PDT by sneakypete
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8 posted on 04/29/2002 5:29:41 AM PDT by lowbridge
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Shows me the failure of gun control. Gun control does not work. The more control the more mass shootings. If you look at the shootings the police have only arrived when and after was to late. People need to protect themselfs not only from mad men but mad governments.
9 posted on 04/29/2002 5:40:34 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: lowbridge
All one has to do is listen and look at Rosie, and it is sufficient evidence to what is the right thing to do.
10 posted on 04/29/2002 5:47:49 AM PDT by Angelique
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"...despite generous welfare states designed to prevent U.S.-style inequality and social conflict."

Outrageous -- flat-out nuts.
Just imagine the journalist-birdbrain's IQ responsible for penning that drivel.
~A pea-sized monster the LASlimes got themselves there, alright.

"Everybody knows the US invented inequality and social conflict,and the founders of this country came here to get away from the equality and social justice of Europe."

{G}

...that about sums it all up nicely.

11 posted on 04/29/2002 5:51:18 AM PDT by Landru
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To: Sender
"This is obviously due to the "patchwork quilt" of uneven gun laws around the world, and we need to "harmonize" them.

Of course the early reports of this tragedgy noted the severe gun control laws of Germany had not been effective since Germany was "awash" in "illegal" guns brought in from Eastern Europe. Now it seems the guy had a permit and the guns were "legal". Of course, that will only prove that gun control laws will work if severe enough.

12 posted on 04/29/2002 5:52:08 AM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: Sender
Fault especially lies with American gun show loopholes, who supply virtually every illegal weapon in Europe and to terrorists, says an important minister's friend's sister. /idiocy

The American left is headquarted in the NorthEast,and they have to be VERY careful about making charges like this. The majority of the guns going to the terrorists in the IRA have come from the NE part of this country,and they don't want to step on their own toes.

13 posted on 04/29/2002 5:56:00 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: mattdono
The Hollywood types can read just fine. It is the higher cognative functions they have a problem with; like understanding what they read.

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14 posted on 04/29/2002 6:03:00 AM PDT by logic101.net
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To: RichardEdward
Gun control revolves around the assumption that people will not be able to obtain illegal guns the same way they obtain illegal drugs

Drug dealers will always have guns -- if all else fails, they can smuggle them in disguised as a routine cocaine shipment

15 posted on 04/29/2002 6:11:44 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: RichardEdward
Whether the restrictions can stop deranged gunmen, Europe's cultural resistance to guns is likely to endure.

Typical, it doesn't work, worse it actually causes or allows harm to the innocent. We're used to it though, so we'll keep doing it.

16 posted on 04/29/2002 6:16:22 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: mattdono
Don't get too excited. Here are a couple less favorable snippets from the article that are not quoted above:

"Judging from the tension in the low-income housing projects of the urban periphery, it's a good thing that gun laws are harsh. Youth gangs don't hesitate to attack police stations in Marseille and Paris. But they generally use rocks, Molotov cocktails or cars set ablaze and converted into rolling missiles, not firearms.

The lack of guns helps explain Europe's remarkably low homicide statistics, experts say. While Los Angeles County recorded about 1,000 homicides in 2000, there was about the same number in all of France. Spain registered 1,200 homicides last year. London suffered only 148 shootings that resulted in death or grievous injury last year."

17 posted on 04/29/2002 6:40:43 AM PDT by GnL
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To: GnL
While Los Angeles County recorded about 1,000 homicides in 2000, there was about the same number in all of France. Spain registered 1,200 homicides last year. London suffered only 148 shootings that resulted in death or grievous injury last year.

Note that guns are tightly regulated in LA county. If a comparison of Europe's tight laws is supposed to be being made to a place in America that is "awash" in legal guns, then Vermont would have made a better place for comparison, inasmuch as people there aren't forced to beg for a carry permit. Comparing a place in America with tight gun laws with places in Europe with tight gun laws can not possibly be used as an argument that lax gun laws are the problem.

18 posted on 04/29/2002 7:00:01 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: mattdono
John Lott: Stand up and take a bow! Congratulations, your hypothesis now has iron-clad proof: "More Guns, Less Crime"

His proof was already ironclad, prior to the events and statistics described in the article.

19 posted on 04/29/2002 7:13:17 AM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: coloradan
You are absolutely correct. My point was only that the author still believes gun control is a good thing, despite the seemingly favorable tone of the opening paragraph. The anti-gun bias creeps in, even in an article that should be pro self-defense.
20 posted on 04/29/2002 7:20:05 AM PDT by GnL
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