Posted on 04/30/2002 5:31:11 PM PDT by swarthyguy
You can logically conclude that Halachally-jewish people will not consider themselves half-breeds. The Halachally-jewish people exlude the paternally jewish people - I know because I've experienced it.
By the way this whole thing is a non-issue, because in the days of the Patriachs, it didn't matter what the mother was. And the whole mother-determining jewishness rule was a rabbinical innovation of the middle ages.
For instance if there really was maternal transmission of jewishness solely, there would be a tribe named after Jacob's daughter Dinah.
Don't know if you have noticed but I am reactionary by nature. Somebody starts spouting the politically correct revisionist history and, yes, I do point out some facts which do not fit the script.
It wasn't really about separating Jewish blood from Aryan blood. That was just the Nazi propaganda as propaganda has to be designed with the lowest common denominator in mind.
It was about removing from society people who considered themselves Jews. In the past, as during the Spanish Inquisition, the Jews were removed from society according to religion. So a Jew sould avoid deportation simply by getting a baptism and "converting". Obviously the Spanish were faced with the problem of the large numbers of Jews who converted insincerely in order to escape deportation and secretly continued to practice judaism. This led to the Spanish Inquisition investigating people suspected of secretly practicing judaism.
The Nazis were aware of the Spanish experience and they decided therefore to base their deportations on blood so as to avoid the problem the Spanish had where Jews converted insincerely. By doing it by blood they avoided the problem of insincere conversions.
All the talk about racial purity when it came to Jews vs. Aryans was merely propaganda. The proof of this is how Hitler himself declared Jews to be Aryan. When questioned about the Milch matter Goering said something like "I decide who is Aryan and who is not". If Hitler himself declared Jews to be "Aryan" then we can see that the talk of racial purity as it related to Jews vs. Aryans was just propaganda.
As it says in this website http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righitpix.html:
""Half-Jew" and later Luftwaffe General Helmut Wilberg; Hitler declared him Aryan in 1935."
So Hitler himself declared Jews to be "Aryan" by fiat.
While some animosity always existed, in Germany, the barbarity of it was due to many Jews being seen to be on the communist side in the fascist/communist conflict. Had the communist won power in Germany, Christians would have been wiped out as they were in the Ukraine a decade before the Jewish Holocaust started.
I cannot say how much the German Jews thought of themselves as German.
One of the reasons the Jews were hated was the Jewish involvement in Communism in Central and Eastern Europe at the time. Jews often made up over 30% of the NKVD units in the USSR (http://www.ukar.org/shapov01.shtml). And it was NKVD units that committed most atrocities and mass murders of Christians. This is why the East Europeans welcomed the Germans as liberators. The Germans knew this and the East Europeans knew this. The American people didn't know it and most Americans still don't know it. The Nazi persecution of the Jews was a mystery to me until I learned of the role that Jews played in Communism.
I do not consider his work to be a crock at all, but I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
How so? It was the Communists, not the Nazis that razed churches to the ground and imposed atheism. The Pope approved the Nazi invasion of the atheistic USSR and refused to declare the Allied war on Germany a "just war". To this day there is massive persecution of Christianity in the Liberal Democracies, such as the USA.
What about Lisbon in WWII?
So removing crucifixes from schools and accusations that the clergy sexually abused minors are the proof of this? No crucifixes are allowed in American public schools. In the USA the Catholic clergy is always accused of sexually abusing minors. So how is this any worse than what is going on today in the USA under Liberal Democracy?
The Communists murdered more than 20 million Slavic Christians and the American government stood silent at this extermination and even gave economic aid to the genocidal Soviet government. The Nazis at least tried to do something to stop the extermination of Christians. This is why Slavic Christians welcomed the Germans as liberators. The American government gave economic aid to the genocidal Soviet government. Till this day there are no memorials to remember the genocide of all these Christians.
I agree that current liberal democracy is as manifestly anti-Christian as Nazism was in WWII. It's just that our system gives us the opportunity to resist those trends politically. In Nazi Germany, the people with real power supported those trends, which would only have gotten much worse if those people had held power, and there was no possiblity of resisting them politically. Yes, they could be resisted bureaucratically, but bureaucratic resistance in general is just a holding action.
I disagree. Nazism was not ideologically anti-Christian. The instances that you mentioned were the result of power struggles between the Nazis and the churches. It wasn't motivated by an anti-Christian ideology.
To say that Nazism was just as anti-Christian as Communism just flies in the face of all facts. It was Communists that exterminated tens of millions of Christians. It was Communists that razed churches and turned them into museums of atheism.
"I agree that current liberal democracy is as manifestly anti-Christian as Nazism was in WWII. It's just that our system gives us the opportunity to resist those trends politically. In Nazi Germany, the people with real power supported those trends, which would only have gotten much worse if those people had held power, and there was no possiblity of resisting them politically. Yes, they could be resisted bureaucratically, but bureaucratic resistance in general is just a holding action."
I can gurantee you that the American establishment will continue to get more and more anti-Christian as time goes on, not less. Christianity is already dead in this country. I can already see it. 50 years from now the churches in the USA will be like Unitarian churches are today, they will preach abortion, and all the leftist abominations.
"The Cossacks, therefore, greeted the Germans as liberators. The entire population of towns, villages and settlements went out to meet the German troops with flowers and gifts of all kinds, singing their national anthems. Cossack formations of the Red Army were coming over to the Germans in a body, new formations were springing up, apparently from nowhere, in traditional uniform and armed with swords, pistols, daggers, and rifles that had been buried for years. "
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