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To: tpaine
As I said in my email to you, if you choose to advertise the fact that you are a liar, that's your business. But your constant whining because some people choose to ignore you rather than put up with your childish antics is getting tedious. Frankly, I believe your behavior borders on abuse.

How weird. -- You claim that IF the 14th means what the USSC says, THEN the amendment must have been written in some sort of code which the court was only able to break after decades of study.

You claim that the 14th Amendment applies the Bill of Rights to the states.

It took the US Supreme Court decades to start applying even part of the Bill of Rights to the states using the 14th Amendment. In fact, the Court still hasn't adopted the interpretation you propose because they refuse to apply all of the Bill of Rights to the states. The Second Amendment, for instance.

I stated repeatedly that if the drafters of the 14th Amendment had intended for the Bill of Rights to apply to the states, they would have said so in no uncertain terms and not have used a code that it would take decades to break. In other words, the 14th Amendment does not mean what you say it means.

You accused me of saying the 14th Amendment was written in code. This is exactly the opposite of what I said, as anyone with the least bit of intelligence can see from reading my posts.

To spell it out for you -- my posts suggest that you must believe that the 14th Amendment is written in code. A code the courts still haven't broken completely because they have not "discovered" that (according to you) the 2nd Amendment applies to the states.

My position is equally clear. I say that if they had wanted the Bill of Rights to apply to the states, they would have said so in no uncertain terms. Since they did not, I conclude that the Bill of Rights does not apply to the states.

Now, friend, as I've said, your constant whining has gotten old. You can continue to whine and cry all you want. But do it on someone else's posts. I'm tired of listening to your childish nonsense.

161 posted on 05/02/2002 11:57:28 AM PDT by Rule of Law
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To: Rule of Law
As I said in my email to you, if you choose to advertise the fact that you are a liar, that's your business.

-- You are running about this forum, falsely accusing me of lying. I choose to fight your baseless accusations.

But your constant whining because some people choose to ignore you rather than put up with your childish antics is getting tedious. Frankly, I believe your behavior borders on abuse.

Your 'lie & run' tactics are abusive, not my attempts to stop you.

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How weird. -- You claim that IF the 14th means what the USSC says, THEN the amendment must have been written in some sort of code which the court was only able to break after decades of study.

You claim that the 14th Amendment applies the Bill of Rights to the states. It took the US Supreme Court decades to start applying even part of the Bill of Rights to the states using the 14th Amendment. In fact, the Court still hasn't adopted the interpretation you propose because they refuse to apply all of the Bill of Rights to the states. The Second Amendment, for instance.

The court will 'apply' the 14th to ALL of the BOR's using their own strange timetable.
But its language is unrefutable, -- it does apply. - Always has. - That was the intent of the men who wrote it, and ratified it.

I stated repeatedly that if the drafters of the 14th Amendment had intended for the Bill of Rights to apply to the states, they would have said so in no uncertain terms and not have used a code that it would take decades to break. In other words, the 14th Amendment does not mean what you say it means.

'In other words', you repeat that it is in a code, as the court sees the 14th's clear meaning in exactly the same fashion as do I.

You accused me of saying the 14th Amendment was written in code. This is exactly the opposite of what I said, as anyone with the least bit of intelligence can see from reading my posts.

You just repeated that self same bit of contridictory idiocy again, just above. --- As anyone can see.

To spell it out for you -- my posts suggest that you must believe that the 14th Amendment is written in code. A code the courts still haven't broken completely because they have not "discovered" that (according to you) the 2nd Amendment applies to the states.

No code. - That is your delusion, not mine.
The language of the 14th is clear, and the intent of those who wrote it was clear. - The 2nd was to be honored by the states.

My position is equally clear. I say that if they had wanted the Bill of Rights to apply to the states, they would have said so in no uncertain terms. Since they did not, I conclude that the Bill of Rights does not apply to the states.

False conclusion. -- The record of the 1868 congressional debates is available, and proves you wrong. -- WHY you would want the 2nd to be at risk by unconstitutional state actions is a real mystery.

Now, friend, as I've said, your constant whining has gotten old. You can continue to whine and cry all you want. But do it on someone else's posts. I'm tired of listening to your childish nonsense.

Nope, we're not friends. - Never will be. -- And it is your juvenile tactics that have made it so.

162 posted on 05/02/2002 2:08:20 PM PDT by tpaine
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