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THE SHOCKING GAME
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Posted on 05/04/2002 8:44:54 AM PDT by one2many

### University of Virginia Admissions Predictor

RACE AND UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA ADMISSIONS:
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT YOU'LL GET IN?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: action; affirmative; airlinesafety; brainsurgery; discrimination; equalaccess; quotas; reverse
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or...

HOW TO KILL A NATION.

Go to the actual page and play the game.
Use your imagination. Put in 350 MATH and 350 VERBAL
and observe the shocking FACTS!

1 posted on 05/04/2002 8:44:54 AM PDT by one2many

To: one2many
2 posted on 05/04/2002 8:47:23 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

To: Twodees
This system is unfair to all.

Truly qualified blacks are permanently suspect.

Truly qualified whites are knocked off the economic ladder associated with the "better" schools.

The American people get a dangerous corps of poorly qualified "professionals".

3 posted on 05/04/2002 8:49:14 AM PDT by one2many

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Verily.

Did you play the game?

4 posted on 05/04/2002 8:50:02 AM PDT by one2many

To: one2many
This would make a great web site. Choose the university you would like to attend , enter your GPA, SAT, race, sex, age and see the probablity (based on historical data) that you would be accepted. See what the answer would have been if you were a different sex. Different race. Different age.

Probably GPA & SAT differences wouldn't matter a lot.

5 posted on 05/04/2002 8:52:00 AM PDT by gitmo

Comment #6 Removed by Moderator

To: LarryLied; MyPetMonkey
seen dis?
7 posted on 05/04/2002 8:53:09 AM PDT by one2many

To: gitmo
Yeah it would be nice to see it expanded. As it is though it is quite the eye-opener. Did you play with the numbers some?
8 posted on 05/04/2002 8:54:56 AM PDT by one2many

To: superdestroyer
After working in medicine in several years, I would recommend that no one ever go to a physician so graduate from Howard University. They have probably been quotaed through their entire career.

I totally agree.

IMO, this is the most blatent form of racism towards blacks that is possible.

9 posted on 05/04/2002 8:56:49 AM PDT by one2many

To: one2many
THE SHOCKING GAME

Great Article--terrible title. The only thing that would shock me (or anyone else who has been paying attention) would be if candidates with identical qualifications were admitted irrespective of the melanin content of their skin.

10 posted on 05/04/2002 8:58:48 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree

To: one2many
I think this is bogus. My daughter just graduated from UVa. We are white out-of-staters. I've sort of adopted the school because it's so much better than my own alma mater (which has a pretty good reputation of its own). I've been sitting in on classes there now for four years, and I have a pretty good idea of the sort of kids they accept.

I tried 800,800,90 and they only give someone with that record a 60% shot of getting in. Someone with 800,800,90 would have to have something real disqualifying not to get into UVa.

ML/NJ

11 posted on 05/04/2002 9:02:12 AM PDT by ml/nj

To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Great Article--terrible title.

We shall see. It seems to me that creative titles get the attention
of some who might otherwise pass on by....

12 posted on 05/04/2002 9:09:47 AM PDT by one2many

To: ml/nj
I think this is bogus.

I think maybe you should check out the CEOUSA.ORG website more thoroughly before you level that kind of assertion.

13 posted on 05/04/2002 9:12:07 AM PDT by one2many

To: ml/nj
i agree; i'd like to see the sophistication of the algorithm. on the other hand, maybe it picked up 800/800 at 90th percentile graduating gpa as a slacker??? the discrimination at the med school level (state and some private) is much more blatant. this harms the minorities who do have the skills (who are readily evident to their classmates and are out there in larger numbers than ceo.org would lead you to believe). time to end the quota nonsense.
14 posted on 05/04/2002 9:13:56 AM PDT by philomath

To: ml/nj
Oh and BTW, at the ceousa website they also have "calculators" for NC State
and Univ. of Michigan, (Ann Arbor campus I believe)

Check 'em out.

15 posted on 05/04/2002 9:15:02 AM PDT by one2many

To: philomath
this harms the minorities who do have the skills (who are readily evident to their classmates and are out there in larger numbers than ceo.org would lead you to believe).

Actually the first time I went to CEOUSA was to look at one of their studies on Law School Quotas (Virginia). If you go to the site I think you will find that they get into what you mention above quite a bit.

16 posted on 05/04/2002 9:19:12 AM PDT by one2many

To: one2many
thanks for posting this. regardless of ones persuasion on these issues, a good airing of what is truly happening is the best course: let the people see and make their own decisions rather than be led by social engineers of any stripe.
17 posted on 05/04/2002 9:30:29 AM PDT by philomath

To: one2many
I think maybe you should check out the CEOUSA.ORG website more thoroughly before you level that kind of assertion.

I just did.

It doesn't change my mind. Their hearts may be in the right place, but their little form is flawed.

ML/NJ

18 posted on 05/04/2002 9:59:09 AM PDT by ml/nj

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Excuse_your_error.....

.....UVa is a PRIVATE school ever since its founding by Thomas Jefferson.

19 posted on 05/04/2002 10:06:01 AM PDT by T-Bird45

To: T-Bird45
What do you think would happen if a school, public or private, pulled this kind of racism in favor of white students? Can you honestly tell me the state would have nothing to say about it?

My other post was in error. The state isn't sponsoring this, they're just conveniently looking the other way.

20 posted on 05/04/2002 10:13:43 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

To: philomath
let the people see and make their own decisions rather than be led by social engineers of any stripe.

Agreed.

21 posted on 05/04/2002 10:25:44 AM PDT by one2many

To: ml/nj
Whatever. It would seem that your anecdotal evidence differs from mine. What I see quantified by ceousa certainly jibes with my own experiences.
22 posted on 05/04/2002 10:27:37 AM PDT by one2many

To: one2many
Affirmative Action plays a vital role: it ensures that every black and brown job holder in the U.S. is seen universally by the rest of the world as unqualified.

Way to go, Liberals.

23 posted on 05/04/2002 10:28:32 AM PDT by pabianice

To: pabianice
Very true.
24 posted on 05/04/2002 10:32:35 AM PDT by one2many

To: one2many
If you want to see what's really interesting...watch your chances go up dramatically if you're out-of-state applicant!Then compare black to any other group...
25 posted on 05/04/2002 10:51:29 AM PDT by Emily RN

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I believe private means private, i.e. nunya bidness. To further illustrate, recall the Bob Jones University flap concerning the no inter-racial dating policy and Bush speaking there during the 2000 campaign. BJU students are not eligible for federal student loans just to keep the feds away from school policy. Hillsdale College in Michigan follows a similar policy, IIRC. This also applies to federal grants, research, etc.

To the best of my knowledge, UVa does not separate itself from federal funds in the manner described above. So, in a manner of speaking, they are a "state" school, subject to interference in what should be private, internal decisions like the old diner sign..."We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

Basically, my position on this tends toward the libertarian (note the small "l") but this whole thing is cluttered with the entanglements I have described. If the school doesn't want me as a white male with stellar scores and class standing, I expect the marketplace holds schools that are open to what I could bring to the campus.

26 posted on 05/04/2002 11:08:18 AM PDT by T-Bird45

To: Emily RN
You mean from the UVA game at the URL I directed you to?

Yeah I played around with a number of different scenarios.

Quite enlightening!

27 posted on 05/04/2002 11:28:13 AM PDT by one2many

To: one2many
Members of the group which is paying most of the taxes to fund the school has, of course, the least chance of getting in.

We need to form a "United Sucker-Taxpayer College Scholarship Fund".

28 posted on 05/04/2002 11:37:24 AM PDT by LarryLied

To: ml/nj
Just to play with the parameters to see how badly one could perform and still have about a 52% chance of admittance, I discovered that a black male, resident of Virginia, father attended UVA, with a class percentile of 100, and a 200 Math and 200 Verbal SAT would have a 52.67% chance of admittance. This would mean that you were a moron who was at the top of his High school graduating class, which must have been entirely composed of idiots.

If you were white with the same qualifications your chance of admittance would be a more realistic 0.84% (yes that's less than one percent). As a note, you get 200 points on your SAT math or verbal by signing your name, attempting to answer ONE question (right or wrong) and turning in the test at that point.

Now lets see how a white applicant would have to perform to get around the same 52% chance as the above demoed black student. The white male is an out-of-state applicant whose parent(s) did not attend UVA. He has a perfect SAT score of 1600 (800 each on Math/Verbal) and a class percentile ranking of 89, which means while fairly smart, he went to school with many other geniuses. So how does he fare in addmittance. He would have a 51.99% chance of admittance, slightly behind the hypothetical black applicant described in the first paragraph.

Ahh, the power of cheese...

29 posted on 05/04/2002 11:50:33 AM PDT by dvwjr

To: T-Bird45
I'm pretty inclined to agree with you. If a school or a company wants to run me off for being a white guy, fine. I'll go be an asset to somebody else's organization. It's happened twice before. The last time it happened, I got the last laugh. The guy who replaced me made a \$200,000 mistake.

It's ironic that the people who are benefitting from this see it as perfectly ethical. There's no denying that if this school's policies favored white students instead, Jesse Jackson and other "black leaders" would be screaming bloody murder and the school's standing as a public or private school would not matter to them in the slightest. They would be suing four ways to Sunday, probably on the basis of "civil rights".

30 posted on 05/04/2002 12:02:24 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

To: dvwjr
Now lets see how a white applicant would have to perform to get around the same 52% chance

I'm not disputing that UVa discriminates against Whites. It probably does. It also discriminates against people who aren't good basketball players. This helps make a university community. The question is to what extent they will take some applicants so they can say, for example, that they have student from all 50 states. If they try to take as many from North Dakota as from New York, that's dumb. If they take five from North Dakota ahead of five more qualified New Yorkers that's not so bad.

My own (limited) experience in classes I have attended (obviously I choose these classes, and I don't go to basketweaving) where there has been interaction, the Blacks haven't seemed any less intellectual than the Whites.

ML/NJ (occasional racist)

31 posted on 05/04/2002 12:08:31 PM PDT by ml/nj

To: BurkeCalhounDabney; stainlessbanner; 4ConservativeJustices; Dawgsquat; ConfederateMissouri...
FYI
32 posted on 05/04/2002 12:17:33 PM PDT by one2many

To: LarryLied
I believe that club has been started and is well along now!
33 posted on 05/04/2002 12:18:42 PM PDT by one2many

To: ned
How about commenting on the "freedom" to be treated equally that whites have under this system. And the "freedom that blacks have to be seen as truly professional. And please don't make my dog fart.
34 posted on 05/04/2002 3:22:28 PM PDT by one2many

To: one2many
I did it and based on my scores, if I lived in the state of VA, a snowball would have a better chance. I didn't realize they'd calculate numbers that low
35 posted on 05/04/2002 6:53:24 PM PDT by billbears

To: billbears
Amazing isn't it?
36 posted on 05/04/2002 6:58:28 PM PDT by one2many

Comment #37 Removed by Moderator

To: superdestroyer; Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I stand humbly corrected with egg on my face for not properly confirming that. Apologies also to Excuse_My_Bellicosity.
38 posted on 05/05/2002 8:03:02 AM PDT by T-Bird45

To: superdestroyer
So how do they get away with it?
39 posted on 05/05/2002 12:20:57 PM PDT by one2many

Comment #40 Removed by Moderator

To: superdestroyer
Re: the 10% "solution"

Yes I have seen these ploys. I believe Jeb is doing the same in Florida and the Regents at Univ. of Calif. system may have implemented same by now. It remains a fraud and a disservice to all races.

41 posted on 05/05/2002 1:46:46 PM PDT by one2many

To: Ligeia
fyi
42 posted on 05/05/2002 6:50:01 PM PDT by one2many

To: SHUCKMASTER

Regards-

43 posted on 05/06/2002 6:14:28 AM PDT by one2many

To: billbears
ROTFL - I cut my scores by 90% and IMPROVED my chances!
44 posted on 05/06/2002 8:11:06 AM PDT by 4CJ

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