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Learn about Israel's birth from a witness
Minneapolis Star Tribune ^ | 5/4/02 | Malka Goodman

Posted on 05/04/2002 7:27:22 PM PDT by Caleb1411

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:36:28 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

I read Robin Halloum's March 20 commentary, "For Palestinians, the real terror began in 1948" with disappointment. The history of Israel had been rewritten.

Halloum was not there at the birth of Israel -- I was. I celebrated when the United Nations decreed in 1947 that two states be established out of the British Mandate known as Palestine -- a Jewish state (Israel) and an Arab state on the West Bank and Gaza.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel; palestine

1 posted on 05/04/2002 7:27:22 PM PDT by Caleb1411
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To: Caleb1411;ThreeOfSeven
Good article, Caleb.

ThreeOfSeven, here's another history lesson that you need to know.

2 posted on 05/04/2002 7:29:23 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: Caleb1411
What many people don't remember is that, from 1948 to 1967, after the Arab war against Israel, the West Bank became a part of Jordan and Gaza became a part of Egypt. In the 20 years when these territories were in Arab hands, there was no condemnation by the United Nations of the "Arab occupation" of "Palestine."

Best paragraph of the entire piece -- and something that very few Americans realize.

3 posted on 05/04/2002 7:30:47 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: BibChr; Bryan; Diago
The armies that attacked Israel -- Iraqi, Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian -- were well trained, well equipped and determined to push the Israelis into the sea. We, on the other hand, had to send to the front refugees who had come directly from the Nazi death camps of Europe. We "trained" these survivors literally overnight, gave them guns and sent them to fight near Jerusalem in the morning. There was no common language between the soldiers; there were Hebrew-speaking officers and Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe and Arab countries. . . .

I can't explain the surprising victory of the Israeli Defense Forces, except to say it was because Jewish survival was at stake.

I humbly proffer an explanation for that (and every subsequent) surprising victory: God.

4 posted on 05/04/2002 7:38:48 PM PDT by Caleb1411
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To: Caleb1411
Thank you for posting this. Sometimes simple truth is best stated not by anyhistorian, or analyst, but by someone who was there on the ground, when the events happened. This is the simple truth from just such a source.

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5 posted on 05/04/2002 7:54:09 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: DallasMike
Americans know only what the lamestream america hating media spew forth.
6 posted on 05/04/2002 7:54:48 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: #3Fan; 11th Earl of Mar; 2sheep; a_witness; agrace; American in Israel; Anamensis; anapikoros...
beep
7 posted on 05/04/2002 7:58:43 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Caleb1411
I humbly proffer an explanation for that (and every subsequent) surprising victory: God.

Yes.

God + One = a majority

8 posted on 05/04/2002 8:07:31 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: Caleb1411
Don't forget the words of encourgment and help from Leon Trotsky and Betar.
9 posted on 05/04/2002 8:11:45 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Caleb1411
Have you seen the old movie "Wings of Eagles" depicting the war of 1948? Pretty much supports everything in this post. I remember the part where refugees from East Europe went into battle. One of the lines from this movie was that these men didn't know how to take the safeties off their rifles, their officers couldn't instuct them due to their languages, these men couldn't even fire their weapons, yet they went forward. Many of them died, but still they advanced.
10 posted on 05/04/2002 8:13:35 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: Caleb1411
Good catch, Caleb. This is especially telling about the history of terrorism and murder against the Jews:

Before 1967, there was no "occupation" of Arab lands by Israel -- yet terrorist acts were still perpetrated against Jewish families. Even before there was a country called Israel, Arabs attacked Jewish civilians in this part of the world. I was born during the riots of 1929, when 49 Jewish civilians were killed by Arab terrorists in Hebron. I remember the riots of 1936-1939, when Arabs again killed many Jewish civilians.

And they haven't stopped.

11 posted on 05/04/2002 8:14:19 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Caleb1411
Great Bump!
12 posted on 05/04/2002 8:22:17 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: Caleb1411
Our motto was "never again."

And to think that there are a few posters on this forum who think that the Jews are evil, all the while clinging to every taqqauiyah-ridden, historical re-write, neo-nazi website blather and outrageous lie that comes from the mouths of those "poor, persecuted Palestinians" and their terrorism-excusing supporters. Amazing.

Yes, there must be some truly innocent Palestinians who sincerely desire peace. Unfortunately, the majority of their brothers and sisters choose leaders like Arafat, think Osama Bin Laden is a swell guy, support bloodshed against Israeli and Western civilians, want their sons and daughters to blow themselves up for some extra spending cash and a chance at getting into paradise because of their "child sacrifice" and still believe that they can drive the Jews into the sea and have it all. Any Palestinian foolish enough to criticise this line of thinking is usually accused of being an "Israeli collaborator" and is in fear of their life.

13 posted on 05/04/2002 9:52:58 PM PDT by demnomo
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A "thank you" bump...
14 posted on 05/04/2002 10:01:13 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: Caleb1411
Good post.

A friend of mine just sent this. Thought you might like it.

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I'm writing this email after having returned last night from the emergency army call up that sweetly interrupted my life 3 weeks ago. I'm writing this email for simple reasons, to tell you the truth about what happened in Jenin over the last 2-3 weeks and to share some of the stories and incidents that we had. Its pretty sad seeing and hearing the lies that CNN, BBC and all the others have been feeding the world when you have seen a completely different picture yourself. Feel free to pass this email around and send me any feedback or questions.

Let me just get one thing cleared, there was no massacre in Jenin, I repeat no massacre in Jenin!!! (i'll get back to this later) My reserve battalion was stationed on the northern and eastern border of Jenin with the purpose of ensuring the enclosure of the area during the Defensive Shield Operation took place. We were divided amongst a number of roadblocks and defensive positions with the main purpose of preventing terrorists leaving Jenin to carry out attacks inside Israel and also from escaping during the operation. We were also responsible for monitoring the entrance of the Press and humanitarian aid going into Jenin, and also Palestinians needing to leave Jenin for humanitarian reasons. I myself together with eleven other soldiers manned a small roadblock at the northern tip of Jenin, which was one of the main thoroughfares for traffic entering and exiting the area. Jenin is not a big town. The refugee camp is a small part of Jenin and the> pictures repeatedly shown on TV are of a small section (10% -15%) of the> refugee camp that was destroyed. The refugee camp is where the terrorists> have mainly operated and harbored factories and storage facilities for> weapons, explosive belts etc. Many of the recent suicide bombers have> strapped themselves up in this refugee camp. What is also very fascinating> is that UNWRA (United Nations Work and Relief Agency - part of the UN)has> been responsible for the refugee camps over the last 50 years and has allowed terrorist infrastructure to flourish under its nose.

In the fighting that took place in the refugee camp, children were used as human shields by the terrorists. One of the brigade commanders told us this last Saturday night that they were shot at in the small alleys of the camp. They returned fire only to hear the cries of young children to which they immediately stopped shooting and prayed that they had not killed any children. They hadn't. The armies respect and consideration for the life's of innocent civilians is> of a high standard. For this reason, 23 of our own boys were killed in the Jenin fighting. If we had no regard for the life's of innocent civilians, 23 sons, husbands and fathers would be at home with their families now.They were the price we paid for the high moral and ethical standards upheld during the fighting. During the week of the incursion into Jenin the area was a closed military> zone. However contrary to what was reported, humanitarian aid was allowed in> and I myself personally checked many of the hundreds of trucks that were> allowed in to deliver supplie to the Palestinians. This was carefully> coordinated with the army to ensure that innocent civilians would receive> the supplies and to minimize the crisks of those entering the areas.

For a few days after the fighting had > stopped, the area was closed off to> the press. This is when the rumors of the massacre began despite the army> press giving detailed briefing sessions to the media on the situation.So> why was the area closed to the press and what did we seemingly have> something to hide? Simply, the refugee camp had been booby trapped by the> terrorists and minefields awaited those that entered. Soldiers inside the> refugee camp told me of not being able to move 5 meters at a time without> having to diffuse another pipe bomb or mine. Many of the houses destroyed> were done so by bombs planted by the very residents of the camp. Some of the> dead bodies were also booby trapped with grenades and mines awaiting the> Israeli soldiers.! (The Palestinian death toll stands at below 40 with maybe> another 20 or so buried in the rubble of which most has been cleared up.> This was also told to us by embarrassed reporters who entered the area> eagerly awaiting to report an Israeli massacre of Palestinians only to be disappointed to find minimal destruction.)

The media- Last Sunday while myself and my good friend Ben were onduty at the roadblock at the time when no press were allowed to enter Jenin, we> spotted a jeep trying to evade the roadblock through an adjacent field. We managed to stop the jeep and discovered a> group of French Journalists who had managed to enter Jenin and were now trying to leave. We followed the normal procedure of questioning them, checking their vehicle and identification. This process sometimes takes a while because we have to> phone another army base who then checks the identities with the Israeli authorities which includes the intelligence operations. Anyway, it turned out that one of the supposed French journalists is actually a Palestinian terrorist on Israel's wanted list. He was taken away by the police together with the other real French journalists. Bet you never heard about that one on TV.

Last Thursday, friends of mine on duty at another outpost a few kilometers away from me spotted two young kids walking in the middle of the day with black backpacks on their backs. The two kids entered an abandoned structure about 800 meters away from the outpost and left without the bags. The kids thought they had gone unnoticed. It was later discovered that the bags contained weapons, explosives, an Israeli army uniform with a red paratrooper beret. The plan was for a terrorist to pick up the loot at night, dress up as an Israeli soldier and attack the outpost. We had already received intelligence reports 5 days earlier warning of a terrorist dressing up as a soldier and entering one of the outposts Avi, a good friend of mine studying together with me at Bar Ilan was stationed in Nablus (Shchem) during this operation and told me the following: They took over a house in Nablus as a stronghold in order for the operation to clear out the terrorist infrastructure there. While in the house,they did not use the electricity to charge their cell phones. They did not touch or eat any food left in the house. They made a concerted effort not to use any furniture in the house. When they left the house a few days ago during the pullout of Nablus, they cleaned the house and left money on the table. I have heard this reported from soldiers that were also in Beit Lechem, Tulkarm, Kalkilya and Jenin.On Monday morning this week, a UN bus entered Jenin carrying a UN rescue team from Britain. The team included doctors and other rescue personnel who get dispatched around the world to help with rescue operations. Four hours later the bus returned through our roadblock and they stopped and we had a chance to chat a little. The first thing they said is that this was the biggest waste of time for them and they would be catching the next flight> out of Israel. One of the doctors told us that one of the "massacred"bodies he examined was that of a man that had been dead for two years. What a shame that the Palestinians dug him up to add to the death toll.As my friends and I packed up yesterday ready to head for home we joked at how the whole world considers us to be monsters and how one day we might all be charged for war crimes. We felt good for having served our country once again and we hope that something was achieved in this operation. What lies> ahead is still uncertain. What became so clear to me is the importance of seeing things in the right context and perspective. If all that happened these last 3 weeks was an Israeli incursion into the Palestinian areas, then yes, maybe we don't look so good in the worlds eyes. But looking in the context of the history of Israel and our longing to live peacefully side by side with our Arab neighbors, we cannot let terror to exist and destroy our dream. I pray and hope that new Palestinian leadership emerges that will want to make this world a better place for its people.

15 posted on 05/04/2002 10:12:41 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Caleb1411
My Father was one of the East Europeans fresh from a Nazi camp that fought for Israel.
16 posted on 05/04/2002 11:47:37 PM PDT by Kay Soze
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To: Caleb1411
May God bless Israel! BTTT
17 posted on 05/05/2002 12:05:13 AM PDT by brat
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To: Caleb1411

18 posted on 05/05/2002 1:00:39 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: Alouette
BUMP
19 posted on 05/05/2002 2:40:46 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Caleb1411
Great post, Celeb; many thanks.
20 posted on 05/05/2002 3:32:35 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Caleb1411
I can't explain the surprising victory of the Israeli Defense Forces,..."

I can - The Holy One of Israel was on your side.

21 posted on 05/05/2002 5:36:59 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
Absolutely. As God prophesied He would be in the latter days. To bring Israel back into their land He gave to Abraham forever.
22 posted on 05/05/2002 8:21:28 AM PDT by berned
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To: berned
absolutely ... it's a major indicator of where we are in time ...

The Valley of the Dry Bones

Jerusalem
23 posted on 05/05/2002 12:24:24 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
Really great links, Bobby. Thanks so much! It amazes me the people who cling to the incorrect teaching of "Dispacement Theology". It doesn't hold a drop of water the minute you begin to search the Scriptures.

I've had many debates with people here about God's permanent, unconditional, eternal promises to Israel, but when you show them the scriptures to prove it, they quickly resort to personal attacks and name calling. It's sad. Anyway, thanks again for the links.

24 posted on 05/05/2002 12:48:02 PM PDT by berned
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To: berned
yep, Israel's not going away this time ... and the push of the Arab states and Kofi Annan's of the world who would like to eliminate them, will result, unfortunately, with a climax at the Valley of Megiddo ... Armageddon ... after the 7 years that is ... it seems more unavoidable as these events and articles indicate ...
25 posted on 05/05/2002 1:25:30 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Caleb1411
What many people don't remember is that, from 1948 to 1967, after the Arab war against Israel, the West Bank became a part of Jordan and Gaza became a part of Egypt. In the 20 years when these territories were in Arab hands, there was no condemnation by the United Nations of the "Arab occupation" of "Palestine."

Shout it from the rooftops. Good article, short and to the point.

26 posted on 05/05/2002 1:44:02 PM PDT by agrace
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To: Kay Soze
May God bless you and your family, Kay Soze.
27 posted on 05/05/2002 1:48:15 PM PDT by agrace
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To: Caleb1411
You are exactly right! There were stories from that war which were unbelievable to most, but not to me. In one instance, there appeared to be thousands of soldiers surrounding this one encampment of the enemy. The enemy was so terrified, they just threw down their weapons and ran away in fear. It turned out the actual contingent was only 600 men. Where did the "thousands" come from?? Only GOD!

Remember the statement, "there is more that be with us than be with them". When GOD opened their eyes, they could see "thousands" of soldiers surrounding them.

28 posted on 05/05/2002 1:52:11 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: DugwayDuke
Another good movie about this event starred Paul Neuman. It was called, "Exodus". I think you can still find it in the movie rental places. This story, however, is mostly about the events leading up to Israel being declared a state. The war which ensued, was only briefly covered.

This movie, however, did show how the Palestinians who befriended the Israelis were cruely killed; but not by Israel.

29 posted on 05/05/2002 1:59:29 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: Bobby777
Well ... the battle in the Valley of Megiddo is WWIII, not Armageden - and WWIII will only last a few days - that's because GOD knows how to throw rocks. Also, this war will usher in the "final harvest" and the removal of the church from the earth.

Armagedden will not take place until after the church exits the earth. I do believe the scriptures are clear, the church will return with the Lord to the earth for Armagedden.

How can the church return with the Lord for WWIII at the Valley of Megiddo when the church hasn't left yet??

30 posted on 05/05/2002 2:29:19 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: CyberAnt
I don't know that we disagree ... since my belief is that the first part of Gog-Magog, the failed invasion, occurs as World War III and not necessarily Armageddon ... so again I still state 7 years of Tribulation ... does my previous post not indicate that Armageddon is the final battle? ... there is the Valley of Hamon-Gog, where Gog falls ... and there is the Valley of Megiddo, the Valley of Jezreel, the Valley of Jehosophat, etc. ... there are those that think they're the same ... I'm not convinced that *all* of Ezekiel 38-39 is Revelation 19, though the very end may in fact be ... FWIW ...
31 posted on 05/05/2002 2:53:37 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: LarryLied
Don't forget that it is the communists who are trying to destroy Israel today.
32 posted on 05/05/2002 3:16:51 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: Nachum
Thanks for your post. I find it interesting that I never heard the delay for entering Jenin was due to disarming booby traps and such. Maybe the media reported it and I never noticed.

Go figure, French Journalist trying to help a terrorist escape....

33 posted on 05/05/2002 3:38:44 PM PDT by eraser X
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To: Caleb1411
"Halloum describes the Israeli army of those days as a "mighty force." I was a lieutenant in the Israeli Defense Forces in 1948, and I still recall the rifles we received from Czechoslovakia, many of which misfired. Our ammunition had noodles instead of gunpowder in the bullets. The armies that attacked Israel -- Iraqi, Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian -- were well trained, well equipped and determined to push the Israelis into the sea."

Right right. And, I should note, the Jordanian army was trained and led by the British (look up 'Glubb Pasha') and had very current british weaponry....the Egyptians also had the latest British AND U.S. weapons.

34 posted on 05/05/2002 4:22:15 PM PDT by Frances_Marion
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To: Nachum
Thanks for the post
35 posted on 05/05/2002 6:27:52 PM PDT by SJackson
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