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Jefferson Descendants Nix Hemings Kin
AP/via Newsday ^ | May 5, 2002 | Michael Buettner

Posted on 05/05/2002 2:38:43 PM PDT by Bonaparte

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:25 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. -- An organization for descendants of Thomas Jefferson voted Sunday not to extend membership to descendants of one of Jefferson's slaves reputed to have borne several of his children.

The Monticello Association in a closed meeting decided to continue to restrict membership to Jefferson's descendants through his daughters Martha and Maria.

The group will continue to exclude descendants of Sally Hemings, a slave at Monticello with whom Jefferson has long been rumored to have had a sexual relationship.


(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: hemings; jefferson; paternity
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1 posted on 05/05/2002 2:38:43 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Oh no--another case of an exclusive "whites only" club!
2 posted on 05/05/2002 2:40:56 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Screech! Racism!
3 posted on 05/05/2002 2:42:36 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Bonaparte
And, just where is Jesse Jackson when you need him?
5 posted on 05/05/2002 2:47:44 PM PDT by Dakota gal in Seattle
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To: Bonaparte
And, just where is Jesse Jackson when you need him?
6 posted on 05/05/2002 2:47:53 PM PDT by Dakota gal in Seattle
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To: Bonaparte
DNA tests have showed a male in Jefferson's family -- possibly the former president -- fathered Hemings' son Eston.

One article I read several months ago implied that the possible forefather was one of T Jefferson's cousins. The DNA seemed to link the cousin, rather than TJ himself. Of course, this aspect wasn't widely reported by the media who had pounced all over this issue then.
7 posted on 05/05/2002 3:10:19 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Pearls Before Swine
That British Nature report which says that Jefferson fathered Sally Hemming's child was flawed and probably released to help the Democrats in 1998.

The Jefferson's should've nixed the inclusion on scientific and historical grounds.

By the way, did someone mention Jesse Jackson?

The Rainbow Pimp Coalition

8 posted on 05/05/2002 3:10:23 PM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Aren't Sally Hemings' present day descendants white? At least those I saw interviewed some years ago about this issue were.
9 posted on 05/05/2002 3:15:11 PM PDT by Truthsayer20
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To: Bonaparte
Maybe it is me but on the face of it, the DNA makes it plain that these folks are indeed descendants of the Jefferson family...to exclude them seems pretty stupid to me.

I am sure that the image is if little old white conservatives saying "no"....but my experience tells me that more and more these days, it is the Liberals who have a problem with reality.

Charlottesville is blatently Liberal...

The decision seems to be in character for this clique.

10 posted on 05/05/2002 3:16:16 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: Bonaparte
This is a very shame, at the least they are part Jefferson, if not part Thomas Jefferson.

At any rate, the Hemings have just as much Jefferson in them, unless the white members of the Jefferson club are inbred (I wouldn't discount that as a possibility). They should not be denied the right of their blood because of the color of their skin.

11 posted on 05/05/2002 3:27:35 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: VaBthang4
" Maybe it is me but on the face of it, the DNA makes it plain that these folks are indeed descendants of the Jefferson family...to exclude them seems pretty stupid to me."

From the official webpage of the Monticello Association --

    The Monticello Association is the group of descendants of Thomas Jefferson. The Thomas Jefferson Foundation is the private, nonprofit organization that owns and operates Monticello.
Please notice that this private association does not describe its membership as consisting of any and all descendants of anybody who was related to Jefferson. It describes its membership as limited to those who are descended from Jefferson himself. It also does not include in its membership those who think that they may be directly descended from Jefferson. Under the 1st Amendment, the Monticello Association has every right to do this. It's called "freedom of association." And their membership has always consisted only of the lineal descendants of Thomas Jefferson through his two daughters. Why is this such a hard concept for so many people?
13 posted on 05/05/2002 4:04:29 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: xm177e2
Please see post 13. I usually agree with your posts, but in this case, I have to tell you that you're way off base. You do not set criteria for membership in somebody else's private organization, and neither do I.
14 posted on 05/05/2002 4:15:53 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: xm177e2
"...the Hemings have just as much Jefferson in them..."

Oh, really? Not according to the available genetic evidence.

Research Report On The Jefferson-Hemings Controversy: A Critical Analysis

The Jefferson-Hemings DNA Study, by Herbert Barger, Jefferson Family historian.

Historical Trash Talk

15 posted on 05/05/2002 4:27:03 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Truthsayer20
"Aren't Sally Hemings' present day descendants white?"

All of her living descendants who possess the haplotype in question are white as white can be. When Sally's son Eston was born, he was 7/8 white. That's why I get so burned by ignorant statements like the one above, claiming that these folks are being "excluded" because of the "color of their skin." Give me a break!

16 posted on 05/05/2002 4:31:48 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: sixtycyclehum
You and me both, brother.
18 posted on 05/05/2002 5:24:42 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: sixtycyclehum
Ditto.
19 posted on 05/05/2002 5:31:19 PM PDT by OK
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To: Norvokov
Inbred people...ugh..

Flounder heads.

21 posted on 05/05/2002 5:48:20 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Bonaparte
The DNA evidence actually DESTROYED the case put forth by Marxist historians attempting to smear Jefferson. They had built their case almost entirely on a "proximity" scenario involving Hemmings' first child, which was born shortly after Jefferson returned from Paris. However, the study found that there was NO connection to the Jefferson line for that child. Did that get the coverage? No way... Instead, the absurd and improbable suggestion that an elderly Jefferson and 30ish Hemmings got together -- following years of public scandal involving malicious lies about the first Hemmings child and public and private denunciations of race-mixing by Jefferson. To believe the story is to believe that Jefferson was an unprincipled liar, which his life revealed him to be anything but! Kudos to the Jefferson estate for having the courage to stand up to this socialist realism!
22 posted on 05/05/2002 5:52:20 PM PDT by CaptIsaacDavis
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To: UbIwerks
NATURE, once among the finest scientific journals in the world, has indeed become an outlet of leftoid agit-prop. Still a lot of good science therein (mostly by default and legacy), but the staff are almost all hard Labour-Socialist-Communist.
23 posted on 05/05/2002 6:33:58 PM PDT by dodger
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To: xm177e2
They are denied entry into the Thomas Jefferson lineage because their descent is not proven. Skin color has little, if anything, to do with it. Indeed, the color argument probably LOWERED the bar for admission. There is no demonstrated lineal descent from TJ. Why then, but for PC color hysteria, should they be affirmed. My hubby's name is Thomas ... do we get in, too?
24 posted on 05/05/2002 6:37:35 PM PDT by dodger
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To: dodger
NATURE, once among the finest scientific journals in the world, has indeed become an outlet of leftoid agit-prop. Still a lot of good science therein (mostly by default and legacy), but the staff are almost all hard Labour-Socialist-Communist.

The DNA evidence showed that some Jefferson sired Sally Hemmings's children. It doesn't conclusively prove that the third President did it.

It's believed that a nephew of Thomas Jefferson had an affair with Sally Hemmings.

Btw... does anyone remember when the Nature story about Hemmings and Jefferson came out? It was reported in the media right before the 98 congressional elections (to show that other Presidents were immoral like Clinton).

26 posted on 05/05/2002 6:45:03 PM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: Truthsayer20
Aren't Sally Hemings' present day descendants white?

Who cares? My comment was tongue-in-cheek. The question of who is related to who may be amenable to genetic analysis. However, this isn't your average country club--if one branch of the family doesn't want to identify with the other, or doesn't even think they are related, whose business is it? Not the government's, certainly. Ours, only in the sense we might care about celebrity gossip.

29 posted on 05/05/2002 7:30:29 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Truthsayer20
Aren't Sally Hemings' present day descendants white?

Actually, Sally Hemings was at least half-white herself. It is widely thought that she was the half-sister of Jefferson's wife.

30 posted on 05/05/2002 7:34:03 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Any of Jefferson's legitimate descendants may procreate with members of any race. Therefore, in theory, this group may have members that are of mixed heritage.
32 posted on 05/06/2002 1:27:55 AM PDT by opinionator
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To: sixtycyclehum
Agreed. I always defend TJ when they accuse him on l'affaire Hemings but I do not like the man because of his conduct during the RevWar (he was court martialed) and his rumor mongering and lie-spreading against Adams and ESPECIALLY General Washington.
33 posted on 05/06/2002 7:35:36 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
Jefferson didn't fight in the Revolution; he was Governor of Virginia during most of it. He was never court-martialed. You may be thinking of Jefferson Davis, who was court-martialed early in his career.
34 posted on 05/06/2002 7:47:25 AM PDT by monkey
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To: monkey
No sir--it is YOU who are mistaken, but you are certainly correct in that he "didn't fight in the Revolution." From http://www.americanpresident.org/KoTrain/Courses/TJ/TJ_In_Brief.htm:

During the Revolution, Jefferson served two years as governor of Virginia, barely escaping capture by British forces by fleeing to Monticello, his home. He was later charged with being a coward for not confronting the enemy.

And from http://sc94.ameslab.gov/TOUR/tjefferson.html:

In June 1779, Jefferson was elected governor of Virginia. His political enemies criticized his performance as war governor mercilessly. He was charged with failure to provide for the adequate defense of Richmond in 1780-81, although he knew a British invasion was imminent, and of cowardice and "pusillanimous conduct" when he fled the capital during the moment of crisis. In June 1781 he retired from the governorship. The Virginia assembly subsequently voted that "an inquiry be made into the conduct of the executive of this state." Jefferson was exonerated: in fact, the assembly unanimously voted a resolution of appreciation of his conduct. The episode left Jefferson bitter, however, about the rewards of public service.

35 posted on 05/06/2002 9:01:19 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: pabianice


You called?
36 posted on 05/06/2002 9:08:05 AM PDT by Xenalyte
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To: Dakota gal in Seattle
Jesse Jackson is busy having Andrew Jackson exhumed so DNA testing can be done. If Old Hickory is indeed an ancestor of the Reverend Jackson, said Reverend will commence lobbying to have his own mug on the $20.00 bill.

If this doesn't pan out, he's going after Stonewall -

37 posted on 05/06/2002 9:10:44 AM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: Pharmboy
Jefferson was no more court-martialed than Clinton was.

Court martial: a court consisting of commissioned officers and in some instances enlisted personnel for the trial of members of the armed forces or others within its jurisdiction

38 posted on 05/06/2002 9:11:25 AM PDT by monkey
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To: Bonaparte
Very interesting post. Thank you.
40 posted on 05/10/2002 11:03:53 PM PDT by ChaseR
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To: Pharmboy
Re your quotations, as War Governor of Virginia, Jefferson had a hard time getting enough recruits to resist the British invasion, and one of the British goals in that colony was to capture Jefferson himself. In view of these facts, and since he saw no sense in handing himself over to his enemies, Jefferson withdrew from Monticello so that he could govern from a safe remove. He also concluded that the only way to impress upon Virginians the necessity of fighting the British was to let them run rampant through the countryside, burning, looting and killing. He was right, and it wasn't long before those who were formerly reluctant to fight enlisted eagerly. All they really needed was a reason to fight and now they had one.
47 posted on 05/11/2002 10:22:12 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: VaBthang4
They are descendants of a RELATIVE of Thomas Jefferson. The Foundation is supposed to honor his direct heirs and legacy not some Marxist scheme to destroy an icon.
48 posted on 05/11/2002 11:11:40 AM PDT by CaptIsaacDavis
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To: Bonaparte
Works responded: "I am not a racist."

You know, I really can't stand white people who feel the need to defend themselves or qualify their positions in this manner. How whipped can you get?!

50 posted on 05/11/2002 11:41:36 AM PDT by southern rock
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