Posted on 05/05/2002 8:14:09 PM PDT by WaterDragon
>I don't.
Give it a rest, dumba$$! If you don't know where he is with all the "ink" he's given you, you never will understand. Go back out to recess and try to get along with the other kiddies this time.
Let's see: you've called me a dumba$$ and a ba$tard on this thread; you've lied about me and when you were shown your error you never owned up to it; you've accused me of being a Nazi; and you've born false witness against me by stating on the basis of your own personal assumption that I've prejudged and attempted to smear LostTribe when I've dared to ask him the questions you don't want me to ask.
Your lies speak for themselves. Your claim to have read the Bible "through and through" in your suckup post to Alouette is the funniest thing I've read at Free Republic.
You're a joke. Begone.
Surely you're aware that there's an extremist faction in the Jewish community whose position is that Tribe Judah is the sole heir to Abraham's covenant. Are you a member of that faction? 
The funniest thing to me is, even Arafat isn't - he's EGYPTIAN. Total fraud. :)
Then how can the two sticks - Judah and Israel - ever again be joined?
No, and I don't know anything about them. Who are they?
If they do believe that Tribe Judah is the sole heir to Abraham's covenant, they're obviously in error; but how can that be construed as having "stolen" the name Israelite?
I'm glad you have that opinion. I sense you may be being more limited in terminology that I. When I say Tribe Judah, I mean the remnents of the southern kingdom surviving today known as Jews, whether it be composed parts of Levites, Benjaminites or some members of other tribes that comprised the southern kingdom which was called the House of Judah.
I don't know; I didn't say anything about "stolen". My theory, howerever, since you ask, would be that believing as they do, that the term "Israelite" would be construed to mean only them, therefore not other Israelites, it could be seen as a form of theft. Hence the term "stolen".
Makes sense to me. Sort of like erasing someone elses name from a Will. Or skipping off with the contents of a joint bank account when the other parties were out of town.
If there is a group of Jewish people wanting to exclude everyone among the Israelites but tribe Judah from the Promises Of God as laid forth in the Abrahamic Covenant, they're on the fringe and their numbers are miniscule. The Falasha Jews of Ethiopia have been identified with Tribe Dan; Israeli Rabbis ruled in their favor and they were airlifted into Israel in 1991. They live as Israelis among the Jewish people today, and the Israeli government and an overwhelming majority of the Jewish people in Israel consider them to be bona fide Israelites and inheritors of God's promises to Israel.
Now: On the other hand, there's a growing number of people of Celtic origin clamoring for recognition as descendents of Jacob (most of whom claim to be descendents of Joseph), and the loudest and largest number among them disavow the modern-day Israelis' descendence from Jacob.
These cultists claim to be the true inheritors of God's promises and believe the modern-day Israelis are squatters on land they have no right to occupy.
This of course aligns them politically (whether they know it or not) with the Palestinian cause, and the arguments of Lost Tribalism constitute an apologetic for anti-semitism among those cultists who deny that the modern-day Jews are descended from Judah.
Lost Tribe theory is at the heart of much of the anti-semitism that exists in the world. That isn't to suggest that everyone espousing Lost Tribe theory is "anti-modern day Israeli," but if you run searches on the subject the results are overwhelmingly in that vein.
I really doubt that. I would suggest that Jews own behaviour over the millenia is the 100% cause of Jewish anti-Semitism today. If you don't believe that, just read your own posts to this thread, then think about it. What you sow is what you reap. (And no, I'm not going to answer a bunch of "who me?" type questions like you lay on others in this thread. Either you get it, or you don't.)
I'll respond to your post later.
As are the people that think the Jews are the spawn of the devil.
Now: On the other hand, there's a growing number of people of Celtic origin clamoring for recognition as descendents of Jacob (most of whom claim to be descendents of Joseph), and the loudest and largest number among them disavow the modern-day Israelis' descendence from Jacob.
I would say that's their problem. I figure their eventual fate is up to them and the choices they make out of base motivations, and the spiritual laws those acts trigger (like cast your bread upon the waters. . . and as you sow, so shall you reap.)
These cultists claim to be the true inheritors of God's promises and believe the modern-day Israelis are squatters on land they have no right to occupy.
This of course aligns them politically (whether they know it or not) with the Palestinian cause, and the arguments of Lost Tribalism constitute an apologetic for anti-semitism among those cultists who deny that the modern-day Jews are descended from Judah.
Lost Tribe theory is at the heart of much of the anti-semitism that exists in the world. That isn't to suggest that everyone espousing Lost Tribe theory is "anti-modern day Israeli," but if you run searches on the subject the results are overwhelmingly in that vein.
I'd say that was the problem of those who are threatened by these groups. They aren't as saturated with members as you probably are afraid of. Unless you react to everybody whose thinking is based on the same data as in one of those groups. Hatred of Jews no more naturally follows from that data than hatred of your neighbor because he lives in a different House in the same community.
I reckon you've noticed that every set of data on any topic has it's sect of nutcases that take them to absurd conclusions? If the data are historically based and verifiable, and the inferences drawn from the data are logical and reasonable, the use of the data by idiots with a specific axe to grind isn't the data's fault.
It can't be an option to shoot the good with the nasties. None of us have the authority to judge such a thing. We're only human beings. We have to distinguish between the nasties and the goodies. Discernment is a spiritual gift that the Lord gave to everybody. In my opinion, it developes with use.
If anyone is still paying attention to this dying thread, I would imagine that more than a few observers are expecting me to take issue with your assessment of the cause of anti-semitism. After all, it would be reasonable to assume from your words that you place the blame for the current rash of Palestinian terrorist homicide bombings on the Jews' own behavior. It would also be reasonable to assume that you place the blame for the Holocaust squarely at the feet of the Jews themselves; Jewish "behavior" is what forced Hitler and the Nazis to create the WWII death camps.
You have a point.
Jews are intelligent, educated, family-oriented, industrious, successful, wealthy and powerful. These traits and behaviors put them at odds with the world and while I wouldn't say that it's the behavior of Jews that causes anti-semitism, I believe that it's the jealousy of the world observing Jewish behaviors and the resulting successes these behaviors and traits engender that is the cause of much anti-semitism.
I also believe that the Jews stand as a reminder to the rest of the world that the God Of Abraham is a God of Justice who keeps His promises. And again, the world can't stand it and the world is jealous.
I don't think that anti-semitism is very prevalent in America, but I do believe that much of the hardcore anti-semitism among the relatively small number of white American anti-semites is related to Lost Tribe history theory and the jealousy it engenders. ("The Jews of today aren't the same Jews written about in the Bible and we are the true heirs of the promises of God.")
If only I could use a killfile here. You and your friends just travel in packs, dumping your loads then moving elsewhere.
1. Your "Jews get what they deserve" position is duly noted. With disgust.
2. Your using Chunga as "proof" is only proof of your ignoring the fact that just as many or more Christians (myself included) have fought right along with the Jews. And if I am not mistaken, chunga is not Jewish.
I agree with Alouette; the question of what happened to the "lost tribes" could be interesting. But spamming isn't. Nor is the refusal to admit when you've been "outed" as maliciously duplicitous as 3 posters were above. A few, including yourself only confirm that this topic draws bigots.
Funny how the pack runs. I am convinced there is a bit of cloning going on.
Not to mention relentlessly self-promoting. One does not win most international awards by waiting for the phone to ring. But chest thumping self-promotion does not make friends. When hard times arrive, those potential friends are nowhere to be found. It all works out.
Oh, then you must be those Khazars written about by the Jewish author Arthur Koestler in The Thirteenth Tribe? Do you then believe there are any REAL Jews left?
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