I was suggesting that you might want to comment on the claims of Mortin Sult. He made some claims, including claims of election fraud in Georgia, that I know nothing about. See post 174.
By all means, please quote the article, section and clause of the United States Constitution that prohibits secession
As you know, I believe that what you refer to as unilateral "secession" is prohibited by each clause of the Constitution which expressly delegates power to the government of the United States, the last of which is Section 2 of the 26th Amendment.
and tasks the president with the "duty to preserve the Union."
See Article II.
Is it next to the clause authorizing the president to commit perjury to conceal the fact that he was getting 'bl@wj@bs' from an intern in the Oval Office washroom?
I know, I know. You found that in a penumbra surrounding the Tenth Amendment, right? Well, I'm not buying that one either.
Apparently the specific written terms of the United States Constitution take second place, in your mind, to "political judgment and skills." How nice.
I don't know if by that comment you've expanded your claim to suggest that the Tenth Amendment required the southern states to secede or you're suggesting that you've found an inconsistency between the provisions in the Constitution and the exercise of good judgment and common sense by politicians. In either case, you have discovered another little issue on which we disagree.
P.S. I'm still looking for the names of the most competent southern politicians who favored secession before the action was taken. Do you have any nominations?
ned: “I was suggesting that you might want to comment on the claims of Mortin Sult. He made some claims, including claims of election fraud in Georgia, that I know nothing about. See post 174.”
I have ‘commented on the claims of Mortin Sult:’
“Documentation, please.”
WIJG: “By all means, please quote the article, section and clause of the United States Constitution that prohibits secession...”
ned: “As you know, I believe that what you refer to as unilateral ‘secession’ is prohibited by each clause of the Constitution which expressly delegates power to the government of the United States, the last of which is Section 2 of the 26th Amendment.”
I know what you “believe” – and I have proved your beliefs groundless by referring you (repeatedly) to the history of the ratification of the Constitution. Simply put, your ‘theory’ is contradicted by history itself. “By all means, please quote the SPECIFIC article, section and clause of the United States Constitution (and NOT your own ‘beliefs’ ;>) that prohibits secession...”
WIJG: “...and tasks the president with the ‘duty to preserve the Union.’”
ned: “See Article II.”
To which “section and clause” of "Article II" are you referring? Hmm? Or do you think the president’s oath of office "tasks the president with the ‘duty to preserve the Union?’” If so, you may wish to actually read the oath sometime...
I know, I know. You found that in a penumbra surrounding the Tenth Amendment, right? Well, I'm not buying that one either.
“Penumbra?” Not at all – I believe a written Constitution is required to preserve liberty. You obviously do not...
I don't know if by that comment you've expanded your claim to suggest that the Tenth Amendment required the southern states to secede or you're suggesting that you've found an inconsistency between the provisions in the Constitution and the exercise of good judgment and common sense by politicians. In either case, you have discovered another little issue on which we disagree.
As noted previously, I believe our government officials should be bound by “the specific written terms of the United States Constitution.” You apparently believe they should give priority to their "political judgment and skills." As you suggest, “it is another little issue on which we disagree.”
P.S. I'm still looking for the names of the most competent southern politicians who favored secession before the action was taken. Do you have any nominations?
Please be specific: are you referring to the secession of the colonies from the British empire? Or the secession of the ratifying States from the union formed under the Articles of Confederation? Or the secession of the Southern States from the constitutional union?
Whatever the case, your question is largely irrelevant. It is the language of the written Constitution that is of critical importance, not the supposed ‘competence’ of politicians - no matter how much you may prefer the words of politicians to the words of the Constitution...
;>)