Posted on 05/07/2002 10:15:54 PM PDT by HiJinx
Gun owners won a battle in the Arizona State Senate today. The victory over America's newest gun control group can be attributed to an overwhelming grassroots campaign. Congratulations to all of you who went to the trouble of contacting your legislators. You made the difference.
The bill was HB 2329, Crime Gun Interdiction. It was sponsored by Americans for Gun Safety (AGS) and it's billionaire leader Andrew McKelvey. It mandated that law enforcement officers trace every firearm used in a crime. Of course, law enforcement already has the authority to trace firearms when the trace is appropriate and useful. A mandate would require law enforcement to trace firearms used in minor, unintentional criminal offenses. For instance, if a hunter accidentally exceeds the quail limit by one bird (class 2 misdemeanor), the hunter's shotgun must be traced. This trace will count as a "crime gun trace" against the store that sold the hunter his shotgun and would not be differentiated from a "crime gun trace" associated with a violent crime committed by a gang member. This would soil the reputations of all gun retailers in Arizona and bring unwarranted scrutiny from ATF. Was this AGS' intent? You be the judge.
Also, the tracing mandate would have opened the door for future calls for gun control. Specifically, AGS and other gun control groups would be back next year telling legislators that there are "loopholes" that prevent 100% success with the newly mandated traces. They would argue that certain "loopholes" must be closed. It doesn't take a crystal ball to know that AGS would be back to eliminate all private transfers of firearms (the crux of the gun show loophole myth it shamelessly pushes) in order to establish a "paper trail" that could be traced successfully. The crowning jewel would be a full licensing and registration scheme to "ensure all firearms are directly associated with individual owners."
The proposal has been killed two times this year in the House of Representatives. Two weeks ago, it was revived for a third time in the Senate Judiciary Committee in a last-minute procedural motion known as a "strike-everything amendment." The motion passed 4-3. After floundering on a number of Senate floor calendars for over a week, the bill finally came up for full Senate consideration this morning in Committee of the Whole, where bills are rarely killed.
There was over 45 minutes of floor debate regarding the AGS provisions. The two AGS advocates were Senators Elaine Richardson (D-11) and Chris Cummiskey (D-25). Without any credible arguments in favor of the bill, they resorted to the tired old arguments of the gun control zealots -- "Only criminals are affected by this legislation so if you oppose it you are siding with the bad guys." Senators Dean Martin (R-24) and Darden Hamilton (R-16) led the opposition for gun owners. They told the truth about AGS and why its name does not adequately describe its cause. Martin and Hamilton went on to effectively relate all of the dangers of HB 2329 to their fellow senators.
In the first full floor vote, the AGS provisions failed by a vote of 12-10. In a rarely used procedural motion, Senator Richardson asked for full reconsideration of the initial vote after trying to ensure all of her gun control cohorts were on the floor for the vote. The second motion came down to the very last vote. Gun owners won 13-12.
AND a lot of lefties from gun-control states are moving there to retire.
Can you still open carry there? I took my pistol everywhere, didn't feel safe without it.
FReegards
The left-wing breeding pools of the northeast have been sending their liberal spawn into America's deep south and the far west. Arizona is one of their invasion sites.
They had a special a few months ago on New Yorkers and New Jerseyians who moved into condo clusters in Arizona which had been turned into copies of their native states by a wasteful misuse of water - you know, green lawns, etc. Well, they were horrified to see GILA MONSTERS on their property. What do you expect in a southwestern desert?
These leftwing creeps should stay at home. Only certified conservatives should be allowed to emigrate out of Jersey, New York, Mass, Maryland, etc.
HA!!
A priceless example of *Darwinism* at work.
"Ohhhhh lookit the pretty li'l lizard; c'mere & lemme *pet* the pretty li'l lizard..."
-BTTT-
Guns Save Lives !!
Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!
The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed !!
An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen !!
No Guns, No Rights !!
Molon Labe !!
Maybe so; but, look?
I'm just rying to get the dumbasses to pet the gawd-awful poisonous things.
At the very least, the 'Rats might get the infection of their (worthless) lives.
...oh gezzzz, there I go again; behavin' all insensitive-like. {g}
Chill the little gila fellas/gals with a CO2 fire extinquisher. While they are kinda frozen, put some red lipstick on'm. Wait till they warm up( they'll be cranky ), then call over the libs and tell them gilas tickle when you kiss'm.
Yea~...go ahead 'Rats; plant a nice, big wet one right on that gila's kisser!
...tell 'em it's a child-gila & we'd cinch it, too.
Yea; that they do, make no mistake.
If it hadn't been for the Clintigulan years?
I'd have never fully understood the nuts & bolts, or the awsome ramifications of what a complete, comprehensive "propaganda campaign" thrust upon America was capable of accomplishing, either.
Never mind being *convinced* such a scheme could even be possible, too -- just forget it; I simply would not have listened, *then*.
See?
As someone born of the 50s with their formative years lived during the late 60s?
Powerful *tools* such as television hadn't quite been usurped & honed by those possessed of a specific ideological bent, as of yet.
In fact?
The mere notion of using the media (at large) as an organ, a delivery system of only one side's political POV into the minds of the unwashed masses?
Was then thought of as unconsionable; as, it must be noted the concept of Public Trust was viable, alive, and practiced as a matter of SOP for life in the then, United States of America.
Oh sure, it was attempted, alright; there was a Leftist *slant* & all...& Hollywierd began their full-bore extrusion of subliminal dope masked as our "entertainment," sure enough.
But, not nearly as blatant & complete as we're witnessing today; not, by a country mile.
The "Baby Boom" generation & everything that implies: our mores, values, sense of right & wrong, faimily unit, religious foundation(s) (be that as it may...) -- the whole magilla -- ALL had to be totally dismantled in order it become weak enough to be overthrown.
Overthrown so as to accept the new paradigm; their paradigm -- not your's & mine born of our youth -- planted by the now dead America we knew?
I'm afraid there's nothing left for us to hand down, '99.
Nothing that is, that wouldn't need to be forced; & of course, doing so would only serve to reinforce what the Leftist braintrust predicted would happen to those whose minds they've captured so completely, eh?
Checkmate.
What I find disturbing is the fact those who're growing up now?
Will not & simply cannot make any semblance of a before & after differentiation; since, they've never known anything different than that which we're fighting against.
That condition, is not *freedom*; &, leaves me profoundly sad, totally empty.
Based on that *fact* alone, 99?
I'd say we of the conservative mindset (& the Republic) are in some very, serious, trouble indeed.
I mean that in a much more sinister way than I'm capable of conveying in mere words, too.
I realize the prediction's nothing new; nonetheless, it cannot possibly be overstated.
Nor, IMO, do I feel this present movement & the *trends* it's spawned, can be stopped.
Absolutely no way & certainly not by us.
The attack(s) on the 2nd are NO "conspiracy" of fiction, 99; they're a simple reality.
Not to minimize [your?] book in any way, shape, or form, mind you; but, let's face it.
What the book does is take the assualt from this one singular Leftist point of attack, to the next logical level as the foundation blocks have already been set?
It brings in the dream makers to drive the point home to all but the thickest of us; and, I believe the term for this *step* used to be called, "conditioning?"
For those Socialist forces in control of the dream-spin machine?
They've really no other choice now but to jack their plan up to the next level.
Y'know?
Like say...the timeliness of OKCity, to the collapse of Clinton's reign following the '95 elections?
Or the importance of Waco in illustrating "the insanity of religion" when the Leftist's pointman was in the process of being revealed as a immoral slut; and, our proof based upon conventional morality, as stated in the religious texts of our faiths?
How about the incident at Ruby Ridge?
What a *lucky* coincidence how it enabled the monsters to *frame* what a "White Supremacist" looked, and acted like?
All at a time when those who'd rejected the Leftist NWO crap were fleeing to the wilderness in an effort to pursue their happiness, & be simply left the hell alone to themselves??
Yup; we got us a belly-full of moving images as justification for these people's rights to be trampled by their OWN government; & ultimately, for those citizens to serve as Judas Goat-examples to all...& be flat-out executed.
The result?
American citizens wholesale executions would actually be applauded by a free nation's peoples?
Or how about militias, for that matter?
My, how sweet the frame of these patriots, my friend; eh?
I mean really, c'mon; mention of the mere word "militia" & what comes to your mind almost instantly?
The attacks I speak of are reality; the results are also, reality -- measureable & very deliberate.
And how they've been regarded by a once free peoples?
Neurotic, borderline psychotic & in the least, very sick.
But today, remember: sick is well, good is bad, eh?
We're well along the way at this late hour to what, I know not; but, whatever in the hell it turns out to be?
It ain't gonna be anything good; &, it certainly won't be anything you or I had any say in.
To say we're in desperate shape simply doesn't do justice to the seriousness of *our* predicament, either.
I say "our," because it'll be our children & grandchildren who close the doors on the boxcars we're put into, you realize.
No...the attackS on the 2nd are only part of a bigger, extremely organized effort to take this nation where only a decade ago it would've been thought impossible.
What we're living today 99, is unprecedented.
People either know this fact outright; or, they sure as hell can sense it; and that, makes any outcome concieveable, y'know.
"Hang on; it's gonna be a bumpy night" is all one can really say, now.
Thanks for the link, too.
...< /rant>
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