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White House reverses [decades old] stand on right to bear arms
Associated Press ^ | Wednesday, May 8 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/08/2002 11:57:58 AM PDT by Patriotman

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To: sneakypete
Ya know, pete, maybe they just don't want the test case to be about a man who may have been beating up or trying to kill his wife. Maybe they are waiting for a better case than one which would defend the right to arm wife beaters.

BTW, this article says it was a Beretta pistol. I don't know from pistols, all I know is Beretta semi-automatic. Do you think he had a pistol? or that the writer got it wrong?

241 posted on 05/09/2002 1:56:06 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: 45Auto
They know damn well that if the correct interpretation of "shall not be infringed" was arrived at by the SC, then 99% of these laws would be rendered null and void. What I want to see from Pres. Bush on the RKBA issue is a firm statement that the 1994 federal assault weapons ban is unconstitutional and will therefore not be enforced until it sunsets in 2004.

It would be a tremedous ruling in favor of our rights at a Federal level. I'm wondering though, I had heard that this still enables individual states to maintain such constraints on firearms as they see fit, to the point of yet again infringing upon our rights. I wonder exactly how far they can go at a state level say, in a place like Californistan?

242 posted on 05/09/2002 2:35:15 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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To: Snow Bunny
Hey, Snow Bunny! You're welcomed! :O)
243 posted on 05/09/2002 3:28:55 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Texasforever
Thanks I am sure you have a long list of mental health pros that have given up on you.

Even libertarians can do well on psychotropic medicine. However, it appears you happen to be debating one that got a placebo.

244 posted on 05/09/2002 4:37:35 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: daiuy
Show me where conseal carry appears in our U.S. const. it provides that I have a right to have a weapon.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

Why do you have such a hard time with the word bear?

Main Entry: bear
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): bore /'bOr, 'bor/; borne
/'bOrn, 'born/; also born /'born/;
bear·ing
Etymology: Middle English beren to carry, bring forth,
from Old English beran; akin to Old High German beran
to carry, Latin ferre, Greek pherein
Date: before 12th century

245 posted on 05/09/2002 6:17:18 AM PDT by Hard Case
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
It's great (by great, I mean sad) to watch them do a running interpretation on the Second Amendment. Every year the Founders intent on having a well-armed and well-regulated (i.e. well practiced) society is softened just a little. The movement towards total disarmament is undeniable.
246 posted on 05/09/2002 6:34:51 AM PDT by Hard Case
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To: Yakboy
I had heard that this still enables individual states to maintain such constraints on firearms as they see fit, to the point of yet again infringing upon our rights. I wonder exactly how far they can go at a state level say, in a place like Californistan?

For one thing, the people in the states retain the rights, not the state itself. Secondly, if the state wants to remain as part of the Republic, it must also follow the guidelines set forth in the Constitution. By arguing that "States" have the right to infringe on firearms ownership, then the states could also say, ban printing presses and conduct door to door searches or waive trial by jury. Californistan, as you call it, is what happens when communism takes over.

247 posted on 05/09/2002 6:39:52 AM PDT by Hard Case
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To: sneakypete
A sneaky BUMP!
248 posted on 05/09/2002 6:54:28 AM PDT by Hard Case
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To: patriciaruth
"BTW, this article says it was a Beretta pistol. I don't know from pistols, all I know is Beretta semi-automatic. Do you think he had a pistol? or that the writer got it wrong?"

The pistol that was used was a Berretta 92, a 9MM. The military calls it the M9. The government adopted it after the Colt 1911A1 .45.

One of the points that was made during the proceedings was that he used the very pistol that the government or a militia would use.

249 posted on 05/09/2002 7:02:05 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Texasforever
OK - But if a (supposed) Law was written to allow a President to enact something - it should follow suit that a sitting President can strike it down. . .

(But that might just make too much sense, I reckon. . . )

250 posted on 05/09/2002 7:14:07 AM PDT by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: MeeknMing
Wasn't worth reading, this sux...

"In my view, the Emerson opinion, and the balance it strikes, generally reflect the correct understanding of the Second Amendment," Mr. Ashcroft told prosecutors.

How do they balance "shall not be infringed", and why don't they want the Supremes to hear it?

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...

Coming next week, a policy change.

251 posted on 05/09/2002 7:24:22 AM PDT by packrat01
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To: sneakypete
That's an irresponsible answer.
252 posted on 05/09/2002 8:08:56 AM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: Patriotman
The Bill of Rights was written by Madison after George Mason and Patrick Henry feared that the Constitution did not do enough to protect the citizen from the state. These rights are for individuals, not the state. Therefore, the White House's current interpretation is in line with the Founders.

It is also in line with FreeRepublic's opinion (the other day someone defined Freepers to a newbie: all Freepers agree on two things--1) the Clintons are as low as you can get and still be human and 2) leave my guns alone. Freepers agree on little else as a group).

253 posted on 05/09/2002 8:15:29 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Hard Case
That right, however, is "subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

Kind of like the First Amendment is subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent free speech by unfit persons within 60 days of an election or to restrict the possession of a printing press to those who are particularly suited to misuse.

For freedom,
Locke

254 posted on 05/09/2002 9:00:48 AM PDT by markfiveFF
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To: Patriotman
At the same time, the administration's top Supreme Court lawyer said the case need not test that principle now

More empty talk. Just what I'm coming to expect from this administration.

255 posted on 05/09/2002 9:03:35 AM PDT by alpowolf
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To: packrat01
Sorry. I thought you might not wanna miss this one...........
256 posted on 05/09/2002 9:05:57 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: PatrickHenry
And further, that ordinarily, when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.

We note further that military weapons in 2002 include tanks, APCs, C-4, F-16s, B-2s, aircraft carriers, etc. Put that in the Miller decision and see what the USSC actually meant.

And even a sawed-off shotgun could be useful militarily, in fighting a guerilla war. But in 1939, we weren't fighting one (officially, anyway).

For freedom,
Locke

257 posted on 05/09/2002 9:08:51 AM PDT by markfiveFF
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Stop the attacks on our God given Rights by the extreme wacko left !!

Guns Save Lives !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed !!

An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen !!

No Guns, No Rights !!

Molon Labe !!

258 posted on 05/09/2002 9:15:42 AM PDT by blackie
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Stop the attacks on our God given Rights by the extreme wacko left !!

Guns Save Lives !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed !!

An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen !!

No Guns, No Rights !!

Molon Labe !!

259 posted on 05/09/2002 9:16:01 AM PDT by blackie
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To: Patriotman
White House reverses [decades old] stand on right to bear arms

Here's a more appropriate headline...

White House reaffirms (centuries old) right to keep and bear arms


260 posted on 05/09/2002 9:16:31 AM PDT by TC Rider
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